or it came and went?
You think that the Star of Bethlehem could still be out there just not in all of it's shining glory?
Isn't it still there??? Bright as ever. Pops
Reply:Yes
Reply:That's an interesting question, with arguments appropriate to both sides. Do you know that the Creator set each star in its place and knows every one by its name? I guess I think He conjured up a very special star for Jesus' birth, and maybe it's over His throne right now. I'll ask when I get up there.
Reply:It is in a museum far away.
Reply:Have you guys even READ the bible? The star of bethlehem was shown only the three wise men. They were looking for the newborn messiah. Why? They were sent to find him by King Herod. Why? Because he viewed the messiah as a threat to his sovereignty and wanted to kill him. He told the wise men that he wanted to pay homage the the newborn king, but he actually wanted to kill him. The wise men were supposed to find jesus and then report his location back to Herod. Before returning, Herods true intention was revealed to them and they went home by a different route. That is the story, if you dont believe me, pick up a bible and read it for yourself. Now, we have a problem. Either god sent a star to guide the assassins to Jesus, or the star was caused by satan....to guide the assassins to Jesus.And you christians honor it like it is a good thing! Another example of people blindly following what they are told to follow instead of actually reading for themselves.
Reply:Supernovas don't last that long kiddo..!!
Reply:It should still be there. The bible says all stars are the same age and rotate around the Earth, right? LOL
Reply:yes it is out there watching!
Reply:No, it never came or went. Sorry.
Reply:I myself believe the Star of Bethlehem was in possibility, an angel. But, not just an angle but a mighty angel, as in arch-angel, in his splendor and glory. Of whom brightness of glory had the appearance to that of a star.
Star is a term used in the Bible for various beings of the Angelic Realm.
Notice in Matthew 2:9, concerning the wise men that the star "came and stood" over the place where Jesus was.
And when they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
Notice also how the star was able to move from one place to another.
It could have been a celestrial star. But, I think it might have been an angel. But, this is nothing I teach. Just a personal feeling.
Reply:I'm Christian, but I think that the star happened to be a super nova. When the earth was created, God planned the star to be a super nova at a specific time, to tell those people where Jesus was born. Right now, it probably is a smaller used up star.
Reply:The Star of Bethlehem is associated with the visit of the Magi (Wise men) from the East as recorded in Matthew 2:1-12. From this passage we see three things of interest.
First, the text implies the Star appeared only to the Magi in the East (the “East” most likely being the area of Persia, or modern-day Iran). There is no Biblical record of anyone else observing this phenomenon. While we cannot be dogmatic regarding this point, it is clear that the Magi observed something in the heavens that no one else observed that alerted them the Jewish Messiah was to be born (Matthew 2:2 refers to the Star as being “His Star”).
Second, the Star prompted them to travel to Jerusalem, the Jewish capital. This would be the logical place to start looking for the birth of the King of the Jews.
Third, when the Magi were told that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, not in Jerusalem, they left. Upon their leaving, the Star that appeared to them in the East re-appeared and led them to Nazareth, and stopped once it was over the place Joseph and Mary were then staying (Matthew 2:9).
Now, the Greek word that is translated “star” in the text is the word aster, which is the normal word for a star, a celestial body. The word is used 24 times in the New Testament, and in the majority of the uses it refers to a celestial body. It can be used to denote angels as it does in Revelation 12:4, when it is used to describe the fallen angels that followed Satan’s rebellion. However, in the sense it is used in Matthew 2, it is referring to a celestial body. Basic rules of Biblical interpretation state that we should take the normal sense of the word unless there is compelling evidence to suggest otherwise. In fact, many Biblical interpreters have done as much by suggesting a natural explanation of the Star of Bethlehem. Their suggestions range from calling it a supernova or a comet to saying it was the conjunction of several celestial bodies which provided a brighter-than-normal light in the sky.
However, there is compelling evidence to suggest that what we see in Matthew 2:1-12 is not a natural stellar phenomenon, but something inexplicable by science. That evidence lies in the three things noted above. First, the fact that the Star only appeared to the Magi indicates that this was no ordinary stellar phenomenon. Furthermore, what led the Magi to travel to Jerusalem was the fact that they were looking for the sign of the Messiah. How would Persian Magi know about the Jewish Messiah? They would have been exposed to the ministry of the Jewish prophet Daniel who was the chief of the court seers for Persia. In Daniel 9:24-27, we see a prophecy that gives a timeline for the birth of the Messiah. Second, they would have been aware of the prophetic utterance of the pagan prophet Balaam (who was from the town of Pethor on the Euphrates River near Persia) in Numbers 24:17 (a prophecy that specifically mentions a “star coming out of Jacob”). Finally, celestial bodies normally move from east to west due to the earth’s rotation, yet this Star led the Magi from Jerusalem south to Bethlehem. Not only that, but it led them directly to the place where Joseph and Mary were staying; stopping directly overhead. There is no natural stellar phenomenon that can do that.
So if the normal usage of the word “star” doesn’t fit the context, what does? What we likely have here in Matthew 2:1-12 is a manifestation of what the Jews call the Shekinah Glory. The Shekinah, which literally means “dwelling of God,” was the visible presence of the Lord. The most notable example of the Shekinah can be found in Exodus 13:21. The Shekinah was the pillar of cloud that led the Israelites by day, and the pillar of fire that led them by night.
The Shekinah fits all of the Biblical evidence available in Matthew 2:1-12. The Shekinah can appear to specific individuals, it can disappear and re-appear, it was seen frequently in connection with Christ’s ministry (e.g., Matthew 17:5; Acts 1:9), and it can lead people to specific locations. It shouldn’t surprise us that God would use a miraculous sign to signal the advent of His Son, the Messiah, into the world.
daisy
Friday, November 13, 2009
“Apart from the star of Bethlehem, was there any other indication of the birth of Jesus?
Angels sang before the sheperds.
But the star was shown to the 3 astrologers only...and they arrived in Bethlehem when Jesus was almost 2 years old, as Herod ordered the killings of children age 2 and below so that the said king will die....
“Apart from the star of Bethlehem, was there any other indication of the birth of Jesus?
Oh, my stars and yet people show the Magi visiting him @ the manager. Report It
Reply:it was prophesied years before that is why the wise men went to Bethlehem.
Dint listen to those who say Jesus is a mirth, more should follow him and then they would "get a life".
Reply:conjunction of the planets
Reply:Joseph handed out cigars.
Reply:Yes the baby in the crib,the donkey ,and the three wise men, oh yes and the celebration of his birth at christmas,thats gorra be a giveaway.
Reply:And fireworks, you need to stop reading books, ones that are older than you!
Reply:The asylums opened all their doors and the world was flooded with nutters
Reply:As to how He would be conceived:
In the Old Testament Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel."
As to where He would be born:
In the Old Testament Micah 5:2
But as for you , Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His going forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity.
As to the proclamation of His birth:
In the New Testament Luke 2:9-13 "And in the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night.
And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. And the angel said to them. "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be a sign for you; you will find a baby wrapped in cloths, and lying in a manger."
there are over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament about Jesus, His life death, Resurrection and return. A good reason to read and study the bible!
Reply:The start of two thousand years of murder, bigotry and insanity in his name. Just like all the other major religions.
Reply:ISAIAH Chapter 53 - The Arm of the Lord is revealed
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence,
neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors
Reply:a star in the sky isnt indication of anyone's birth.
the myth of jesus is just that: a myth. nothing provable about it. wanting it to be real doesn't make it real
Reply:All the Christmas cards that flooded the post office a month before.
Tammi Dee
Reply:Jesus is alive today and living, He just doesn't live in Christian churches. He lives in hearts of believers, Jesus the son died a long time ago and there is no reason to dwell on this fact, He arose is the important thing. And if that's the kind of God you worship... a kid in a barn... sorry I was preaching not answering the question. Yes there was a few shepherd's that saw angels singing and came. There was a man in the temple that said he could die now for he has seen God, and there was blind Anna in the temple also. That star was not one star but three stars that aligned in the Heavens and it toke them wise men two years to reach Jesus(star worshipper types not good christains), so I am sure Joseph and Mary didn't hang out in that stable for 2 years waiting for them wise men to come. because 8 days latter they were in the temple doing the religious stuff, and the temple was in Jerusalem, getting his penis cut as was Jewish custom. He was born there because that is where you would find a Lamb of God born in a stable not a home. But you know by the time them wise men came he was about two years old because of this; Matthew 2:16
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
This proves that whole manger story is a lie, wise men never came to Jesus in a stable, also lives of innocent children didn't mean much to Herod. He was hoping to kill a man that would take his throne.
Reply:Did you that the star of Bethlehem was more likely to be a comet, as they have been able to track back to before Christ was born, and they say that a comet was on that path which would have looked like a bright star to follow
Reply:According to "Telegraph" today only Matthew reported "The Star". There is no unchallengeable recorded evidence of starry phenomena around this time.
Reply:A bunch of prophecies that were fulfilled.
Hey there's a cool BBC program dedicated to Jesus. It talks about His birth and the alignment of the planets. And they have hard facts about this. Pretty Cool!!!
Reply:Yes, there was a memo sent around.
Reply:The Qur’aan confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Qur’aan is entitled `Mary') in her time, and Mary is considered the purest woman in all creation. The Qur’aan
describes the creation of Jesus as follows (interpretation of the meaning):
"Behold! the Angel said, `God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name
shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the Hereafter, and one that shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous.' She said: `O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: `Even so; God creates what He wills. When He decrees a thing, He but says to it, "Be!" and it is."
(Qur’aan, Surat (chapter) Aala ‘Imraan, 3:42-7)
Jesus (peace be upon him) was born miraculously through the same power which had brought Adam (peace be upon him) into being without a father:
"Truly, the likeness of
Jesus unto Allaah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, `Be!' and he was." (3:59)
During his prophetic mission, Jesus (peace be upon him) was granted
and performed many miracles. The Qur’aan tells us that he said (interpretation of meaning):
"I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah’s leave. And I heal the blind and the lepers, and I raise the dead by Allaah’s leave." (3:49)
Other miracles include speaking soon after birth in defense of his mother's piety. God's other gifts to him included healing the blind and the sick, reviving the dead, and, most importantly, the message he was carrying.
These miracles were granted to him by God to establish
him as a prophet. According to the Qur’aan, he was not crucified, but only appeared so; instead, Allaah raised him unto Heaven. (Quraan, Chapter Maryam) Neither Muhammad (peace be
upon him), nor Jesus (peace be upon him), came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it. In the Quran Jesus (peace be upon him), is reported as saying that he came: " To attest the law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign form your Lord, so fear God and obey me." (3:50)
Reply:The virgin birth
Reply:The angels announcement to the shepherds.
Reply:As no such person ever existed there could not have been any so called supernatural signs of a non existant birth grow up and get a life.
But the star was shown to the 3 astrologers only...and they arrived in Bethlehem when Jesus was almost 2 years old, as Herod ordered the killings of children age 2 and below so that the said king will die....
“Apart from the star of Bethlehem, was there any other indication of the birth of Jesus?
Oh, my stars and yet people show the Magi visiting him @ the manager. Report It
Reply:it was prophesied years before that is why the wise men went to Bethlehem.
Dint listen to those who say Jesus is a mirth, more should follow him and then they would "get a life".
Reply:conjunction of the planets
Reply:Joseph handed out cigars.
Reply:Yes the baby in the crib,the donkey ,and the three wise men, oh yes and the celebration of his birth at christmas,thats gorra be a giveaway.
Reply:And fireworks, you need to stop reading books, ones that are older than you!
Reply:The asylums opened all their doors and the world was flooded with nutters
Reply:As to how He would be conceived:
In the Old Testament Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel."
As to where He would be born:
In the Old Testament Micah 5:2
But as for you , Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His going forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity.
As to the proclamation of His birth:
In the New Testament Luke 2:9-13 "And in the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night.
And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. And the angel said to them. "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be a sign for you; you will find a baby wrapped in cloths, and lying in a manger."
there are over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament about Jesus, His life death, Resurrection and return. A good reason to read and study the bible!
Reply:The start of two thousand years of murder, bigotry and insanity in his name. Just like all the other major religions.
Reply:ISAIAH Chapter 53 - The Arm of the Lord is revealed
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence,
neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors
Reply:a star in the sky isnt indication of anyone's birth.
the myth of jesus is just that: a myth. nothing provable about it. wanting it to be real doesn't make it real
Reply:All the Christmas cards that flooded the post office a month before.
Tammi Dee
Reply:Jesus is alive today and living, He just doesn't live in Christian churches. He lives in hearts of believers, Jesus the son died a long time ago and there is no reason to dwell on this fact, He arose is the important thing. And if that's the kind of God you worship... a kid in a barn... sorry I was preaching not answering the question. Yes there was a few shepherd's that saw angels singing and came. There was a man in the temple that said he could die now for he has seen God, and there was blind Anna in the temple also. That star was not one star but three stars that aligned in the Heavens and it toke them wise men two years to reach Jesus(star worshipper types not good christains), so I am sure Joseph and Mary didn't hang out in that stable for 2 years waiting for them wise men to come. because 8 days latter they were in the temple doing the religious stuff, and the temple was in Jerusalem, getting his penis cut as was Jewish custom. He was born there because that is where you would find a Lamb of God born in a stable not a home. But you know by the time them wise men came he was about two years old because of this; Matthew 2:16
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
This proves that whole manger story is a lie, wise men never came to Jesus in a stable, also lives of innocent children didn't mean much to Herod. He was hoping to kill a man that would take his throne.
Reply:Did you that the star of Bethlehem was more likely to be a comet, as they have been able to track back to before Christ was born, and they say that a comet was on that path which would have looked like a bright star to follow
Reply:According to "Telegraph" today only Matthew reported "The Star". There is no unchallengeable recorded evidence of starry phenomena around this time.
Reply:A bunch of prophecies that were fulfilled.
Hey there's a cool BBC program dedicated to Jesus. It talks about His birth and the alignment of the planets. And they have hard facts about this. Pretty Cool!!!
Reply:Yes, there was a memo sent around.
Reply:The Qur’aan confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Qur’aan is entitled `Mary') in her time, and Mary is considered the purest woman in all creation. The Qur’aan
describes the creation of Jesus as follows (interpretation of the meaning):
"Behold! the Angel said, `God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name
shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the Hereafter, and one that shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous.' She said: `O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: `Even so; God creates what He wills. When He decrees a thing, He but says to it, "Be!" and it is."
(Qur’aan, Surat (chapter) Aala ‘Imraan, 3:42-7)
Jesus (peace be upon him) was born miraculously through the same power which had brought Adam (peace be upon him) into being without a father:
"Truly, the likeness of
Jesus unto Allaah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, `Be!' and he was." (3:59)
During his prophetic mission, Jesus (peace be upon him) was granted
and performed many miracles. The Qur’aan tells us that he said (interpretation of meaning):
"I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah’s leave. And I heal the blind and the lepers, and I raise the dead by Allaah’s leave." (3:49)
Other miracles include speaking soon after birth in defense of his mother's piety. God's other gifts to him included healing the blind and the sick, reviving the dead, and, most importantly, the message he was carrying.
These miracles were granted to him by God to establish
him as a prophet. According to the Qur’aan, he was not crucified, but only appeared so; instead, Allaah raised him unto Heaven. (Quraan, Chapter Maryam) Neither Muhammad (peace be
upon him), nor Jesus (peace be upon him), came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it. In the Quran Jesus (peace be upon him), is reported as saying that he came: " To attest the law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign form your Lord, so fear God and obey me." (3:50)
Reply:The virgin birth
Reply:The angels announcement to the shepherds.
Reply:As no such person ever existed there could not have been any so called supernatural signs of a non existant birth grow up and get a life.
What was the star of Bethlehem?
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethic...
What was the star of Bethlehem?
A combination of celestial bodies lined up in same line of site, It has been proven to have happened at that time with Saturn being the main body.
Even the North star has now been discovered to be a 3 star cluster by the Hubble telescope.
Reply:It could have been a star or a planet but who cares, what is important is what was happening beneath it.
Reply:Most likely a comet.
Reply:Scientists have been debating this for hundreds of years, with no satisfactory answer having appeared. There is a good chance that the story is simply fiction.
Reply:A fairy tale.
Reply:The Star of Bethlehem is shown as a comet above the child. Giotto witnessed an appearance of Halley's Comet in 1301.See also Star of Bethlehem (plant).
The Star of Bethlehem, also called the Christmas Star or Jesus Star, is a star in Christian nativity tradition that revealed the birth of Jesus to the magi (or 'three kings') and later led them to Bethlehem. According to the New Testament account, found only in the Gospel of Matthew,[1] the magi were men "from the east" who were inspired by the appearance of the star to travel to Jerusalem in search of a "king of the Jews".[2] There they met King Herod of Judea, who advised them that the child they sought was in Bethlehem, a nearby village. The magi then went to Bethlehem, found Jesus and his mother, paid him homage, worshipped him, gave gifts, and returned to their "own country".[3]
Christians regarded the star as a miraculous sign given by God to mark the birth of the Christ (or Messiah). Ancient theologians claimed that the star fulfilled several prophecies, including the Star Prophecy. In modern times, astronomers have proposed various explanations for the star, including a nova, a planet, a comet, an occultation, and a conjunction (massing of planets). The subject is a favorite at planetarium shows during the Christmas season,[4] although the Biblical account suggests that the visit of the magi took place at least several months after Jesus was born.[5] The visit was traditionally celebrated on Epiphany.[6] Many modern scholars regard the star as a pious fiction created by the author of the Gospel of Matthew. [7]
Reply:No one knows, but everyone has an opinion:
planetary alignment, comet, supernova, etc.
I think it was an angel.
Reply:A UFO.
Reply:A star!?!?
Reply:They now think it was pluto and the moon coming very close together.
What was the star of Bethlehem?
A combination of celestial bodies lined up in same line of site, It has been proven to have happened at that time with Saturn being the main body.
Even the North star has now been discovered to be a 3 star cluster by the Hubble telescope.
Reply:It could have been a star or a planet but who cares, what is important is what was happening beneath it.
Reply:Most likely a comet.
Reply:Scientists have been debating this for hundreds of years, with no satisfactory answer having appeared. There is a good chance that the story is simply fiction.
Reply:A fairy tale.
Reply:The Star of Bethlehem is shown as a comet above the child. Giotto witnessed an appearance of Halley's Comet in 1301.See also Star of Bethlehem (plant).
The Star of Bethlehem, also called the Christmas Star or Jesus Star, is a star in Christian nativity tradition that revealed the birth of Jesus to the magi (or 'three kings') and later led them to Bethlehem. According to the New Testament account, found only in the Gospel of Matthew,[1] the magi were men "from the east" who were inspired by the appearance of the star to travel to Jerusalem in search of a "king of the Jews".[2] There they met King Herod of Judea, who advised them that the child they sought was in Bethlehem, a nearby village. The magi then went to Bethlehem, found Jesus and his mother, paid him homage, worshipped him, gave gifts, and returned to their "own country".[3]
Christians regarded the star as a miraculous sign given by God to mark the birth of the Christ (or Messiah). Ancient theologians claimed that the star fulfilled several prophecies, including the Star Prophecy. In modern times, astronomers have proposed various explanations for the star, including a nova, a planet, a comet, an occultation, and a conjunction (massing of planets). The subject is a favorite at planetarium shows during the Christmas season,[4] although the Biblical account suggests that the visit of the magi took place at least several months after Jesus was born.[5] The visit was traditionally celebrated on Epiphany.[6] Many modern scholars regard the star as a pious fiction created by the author of the Gospel of Matthew. [7]
Reply:No one knows, but everyone has an opinion:
planetary alignment, comet, supernova, etc.
I think it was an angel.
Reply:A UFO.
Reply:A star!?!?
Reply:They now think it was pluto and the moon coming very close together.
What was the star of Bethlehem?
The Star of Bethlehem, also called the Christmas Star or Jesus Star, is a star in Christian nativity tradition that revealed the birth of Jesus to the magi (or 'three kings') and later led them to Bethlehem. According to the New Testament account, found only in the Gospel of Matthew,[1] the magi were men "from the east" who were inspired by the appearance of the star to travel to Jerusalem in search of a "king of the Jews".[2] There they met King Herod of Judea, who advised them that the child they sought was in Bethlehem, a nearby village. The magi then went to Bethlehem, found Jesus and his mother, paid him homage,worshiped him, gave gifts, and returned to their "own country".[3]
Christians regarded the star as a miraculous sign given by God to mark the birth of the Christ (or Messiah). Ancient theologians claimed that the star fulfilled several prophecies, including the Star Prophecy. In modern times, astronomers have proposed various explanations for the star, including a nova, a planet, a comet, an occultation, and a conjunction (massing of planets). The subject is a favorite at planetarium shows during the Christmas season,[4] although the Biblical account suggests that the visit of the magi took place at least several months after Jesus was born.[5] The visit was traditionally celebrated on Epiphany.[6] Many modern scholars regard the star as a pious fiction created by the author of the Gospel of Matthew.
Midnight~Angel :)
What was the star of Bethlehem?
Hermione Gingold
Reply:It was the three planets lining up at one time together to become one to shine it's lite
Reply:It has been documented as a comet whose path went that way during that point in time.
Reply:Look at the crab nebula through a telescope.. amazing! It was a supernova and was documented by the Chinese.
Reply:Venus.
Reply:Could have been Halle s comet which appears every 70 or so years.
Reply:there is a good article in decembers Sky and Telescope that discusses this, check it out
Reply:A comet
Reply:The Star of Bethlehem, also called the Christmas Star or Jesus Star, is a star in Christian nativity tradition that revealed the birth of Jesus to the magi (or 'three kings') and later led them to Bethlehem. According to the New Testament account, found only in the Gospel of Matthew,[1] the magi were men "from the east" who were inspired by the appearance of the star to travel to Jerusalem in search of a "king of the Jews".[2] There they met King Herod of Judea, who advised them that the child they sought was in Bethlehem, a nearby village. The magi then went to Bethlehem, found Jesus and his mother, paid him homage,worshiped him, gave gifts, and returned to their "own country".[3]
Christians regarded the star as a miraculous sign given by God to mark the birth of the Christ (or Messiah). Ancient theologians claimed that the star fulfilled several prophecies, including the Star Prophecy. In modern times, astronomers have proposed various explanations for the star, including a nova, a planet, a comet, an occultation, and a conjunction (massing of planets). The subject is a favorite at planetarium shows during the Christmas season,[4] although the Biblical account suggests that the visit of the magi took place at least several months after Jesus was born.[5] The visit was traditionally celebrated on Epiphany.[6] Many modern scholars regard the star as a pious fiction created by the author of the Gospel of Matthew. [7]
Because the magi told Herod that they saw the star "at its rising",[29] the obvious conclusion is that of an astronomical object.
In 1614, German astronomer Johannes Kepler determined that a series of three conjunctions of the planets Jupiter and Saturn occurred in the year 6 BC. [30] Although conjunctions were important in astrology, Kepler was not thinking in astrological terms. He argued that a planetary conjunction could create a nova, which he linked to the Star of Bethlehem.[30] Modern calculations show that there was always a large gap between the two planets, so these conjunctions were not visually impressive. An ancient almanac has been found in Babylon which covers the events of this period, but it makes no specific reference to the conjunctions.[31]
Chinese and Korean stargazers observed an object thought to be a nova or a comet around 5 BC.[32] This object was observed for over seventy days with no movement recorded.[32] Ancient writers described comets as "hanging over" specific cities, just as the Star of Bethlehem was said to have "stood over" the "place" where Jesus was (presumably the town of Bethlehem).[33] This phrase was not used to describe other astronomical objects, so perhaps the tail of a comet was thought to point to a specific terrestrial location.
Another Star of Bethlehem candidate is Uranus, which was visible at various times. However, it probably moved too slowly to be recognized as a planet.[34]
A zodiac from a 6th century mosaic at a synagogue in Beit Alpha, IsraelAnother recent hypothesis states that the star of Bethlehem was a supernova or hypernova occurring in the nearby Andromeda Galaxy. The author notes that a Type Ia or Ic supernova/hypernova occurring in the Andromeda Galaxy would have been visible directly overhead in the town of Bethlehem at the same time of the birth of Jesus. Although supernovae have been detected in Andromeda, it is extremely difficult to detect a supernova remnant in another galaxy, let alone obtain an accurate date of when it occurred. [35]
[edit] An astrological event
The use of the phrase "king of the Jews" by the magi has led many writers to link the Star of Bethlehem to astrology. In Hellenistic astrology, Jupiter was the king planet and Regulus was the king star.[36] As they traveled from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, the star "went before" the magi and then "stood over" the place where Jesus was. In astrological interpretations, these phrases are said to refer to retrograde motion and to stationing, i.e. Jupiter appeared to reverse course for a time, then stopped, and finally resumed its normal progression[37] (This assumes that the magi had an instrument equivalent to an astrolabe that allowed them to detect to the motion of a planet between one night and the next.)
In 3-2 BC, there was a series of seven conjunctions, including three between Jupiter and Regulus and a strikingly close conjunction between Jupiter and Venus on June 17, 2 BC.[38] "The fusion of two planets would have been a rare and awe-inspiring event", according to an influential paper by Roger Sinnott.[39]
Astronomer Michael Molnar has proposed a link between a double occultation of Jupiter by the moon in 6 BC in Aries and the Star of Bethlehem.[40] This event was quite close to the sun and would have been difficult to observe, even with a small telescope.[41] Occultations of planets by the moon are quite common, but Firmicus Maternus, an astrologer to Roman Emperor Constantine, wrote that an occultation of Jupiter in Aries was a sign of the birth of a divine king.[42] "When the royal star of Zeus, the planet Jupiter, was in the east this was the most powerful time to confer kingships. Furthermore, the Sun was in Aries where it is exalted. And the Moon was in very close conjunction with Jupiter in Aries", Molnar wrote.[40] This set of conditions reoccurs every sixty years.[40]
A modern and exclusively astrological interpretation of Matthew's account of the star, based on the magi's role as astrologers, "decodes" the Star of Bethlehem as a rare celestial configuration that was visible only to the magi. The "star" was revealed in an astrological chart dated March 2, 5 BCE
Reply:the north star in which you follow to get to your destination
Reply:I think it may have been Halle's Comet
gary
Christians regarded the star as a miraculous sign given by God to mark the birth of the Christ (or Messiah). Ancient theologians claimed that the star fulfilled several prophecies, including the Star Prophecy. In modern times, astronomers have proposed various explanations for the star, including a nova, a planet, a comet, an occultation, and a conjunction (massing of planets). The subject is a favorite at planetarium shows during the Christmas season,[4] although the Biblical account suggests that the visit of the magi took place at least several months after Jesus was born.[5] The visit was traditionally celebrated on Epiphany.[6] Many modern scholars regard the star as a pious fiction created by the author of the Gospel of Matthew.
Midnight~Angel :)
What was the star of Bethlehem?
Hermione Gingold
Reply:It was the three planets lining up at one time together to become one to shine it's lite
Reply:It has been documented as a comet whose path went that way during that point in time.
Reply:Look at the crab nebula through a telescope.. amazing! It was a supernova and was documented by the Chinese.
Reply:Venus.
Reply:Could have been Halle s comet which appears every 70 or so years.
Reply:there is a good article in decembers Sky and Telescope that discusses this, check it out
Reply:A comet
Reply:The Star of Bethlehem, also called the Christmas Star or Jesus Star, is a star in Christian nativity tradition that revealed the birth of Jesus to the magi (or 'three kings') and later led them to Bethlehem. According to the New Testament account, found only in the Gospel of Matthew,[1] the magi were men "from the east" who were inspired by the appearance of the star to travel to Jerusalem in search of a "king of the Jews".[2] There they met King Herod of Judea, who advised them that the child they sought was in Bethlehem, a nearby village. The magi then went to Bethlehem, found Jesus and his mother, paid him homage,worshiped him, gave gifts, and returned to their "own country".[3]
Christians regarded the star as a miraculous sign given by God to mark the birth of the Christ (or Messiah). Ancient theologians claimed that the star fulfilled several prophecies, including the Star Prophecy. In modern times, astronomers have proposed various explanations for the star, including a nova, a planet, a comet, an occultation, and a conjunction (massing of planets). The subject is a favorite at planetarium shows during the Christmas season,[4] although the Biblical account suggests that the visit of the magi took place at least several months after Jesus was born.[5] The visit was traditionally celebrated on Epiphany.[6] Many modern scholars regard the star as a pious fiction created by the author of the Gospel of Matthew. [7]
Because the magi told Herod that they saw the star "at its rising",[29] the obvious conclusion is that of an astronomical object.
In 1614, German astronomer Johannes Kepler determined that a series of three conjunctions of the planets Jupiter and Saturn occurred in the year 6 BC. [30] Although conjunctions were important in astrology, Kepler was not thinking in astrological terms. He argued that a planetary conjunction could create a nova, which he linked to the Star of Bethlehem.[30] Modern calculations show that there was always a large gap between the two planets, so these conjunctions were not visually impressive. An ancient almanac has been found in Babylon which covers the events of this period, but it makes no specific reference to the conjunctions.[31]
Chinese and Korean stargazers observed an object thought to be a nova or a comet around 5 BC.[32] This object was observed for over seventy days with no movement recorded.[32] Ancient writers described comets as "hanging over" specific cities, just as the Star of Bethlehem was said to have "stood over" the "place" where Jesus was (presumably the town of Bethlehem).[33] This phrase was not used to describe other astronomical objects, so perhaps the tail of a comet was thought to point to a specific terrestrial location.
Another Star of Bethlehem candidate is Uranus, which was visible at various times. However, it probably moved too slowly to be recognized as a planet.[34]
A zodiac from a 6th century mosaic at a synagogue in Beit Alpha, IsraelAnother recent hypothesis states that the star of Bethlehem was a supernova or hypernova occurring in the nearby Andromeda Galaxy. The author notes that a Type Ia or Ic supernova/hypernova occurring in the Andromeda Galaxy would have been visible directly overhead in the town of Bethlehem at the same time of the birth of Jesus. Although supernovae have been detected in Andromeda, it is extremely difficult to detect a supernova remnant in another galaxy, let alone obtain an accurate date of when it occurred. [35]
[edit] An astrological event
The use of the phrase "king of the Jews" by the magi has led many writers to link the Star of Bethlehem to astrology. In Hellenistic astrology, Jupiter was the king planet and Regulus was the king star.[36] As they traveled from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, the star "went before" the magi and then "stood over" the place where Jesus was. In astrological interpretations, these phrases are said to refer to retrograde motion and to stationing, i.e. Jupiter appeared to reverse course for a time, then stopped, and finally resumed its normal progression[37] (This assumes that the magi had an instrument equivalent to an astrolabe that allowed them to detect to the motion of a planet between one night and the next.)
In 3-2 BC, there was a series of seven conjunctions, including three between Jupiter and Regulus and a strikingly close conjunction between Jupiter and Venus on June 17, 2 BC.[38] "The fusion of two planets would have been a rare and awe-inspiring event", according to an influential paper by Roger Sinnott.[39]
Astronomer Michael Molnar has proposed a link between a double occultation of Jupiter by the moon in 6 BC in Aries and the Star of Bethlehem.[40] This event was quite close to the sun and would have been difficult to observe, even with a small telescope.[41] Occultations of planets by the moon are quite common, but Firmicus Maternus, an astrologer to Roman Emperor Constantine, wrote that an occultation of Jupiter in Aries was a sign of the birth of a divine king.[42] "When the royal star of Zeus, the planet Jupiter, was in the east this was the most powerful time to confer kingships. Furthermore, the Sun was in Aries where it is exalted. And the Moon was in very close conjunction with Jupiter in Aries", Molnar wrote.[40] This set of conditions reoccurs every sixty years.[40]
A modern and exclusively astrological interpretation of Matthew's account of the star, based on the magi's role as astrologers, "decodes" the Star of Bethlehem as a rare celestial configuration that was visible only to the magi. The "star" was revealed in an astrological chart dated March 2, 5 BCE
Reply:the north star in which you follow to get to your destination
Reply:I think it may have been Halle's Comet
gary
Tuesday, April 28, 2009
Was there a Star of Bethlehem?
Indeed ther was. This fulfilled the prophecy of Jacob, “Judah is a lion’s cub.… The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs, and the obedience of the nations is his.”[37] When Venus was next due to rise with the sun 1.6 years later, the magi arrived in Jerusalem. The following morning, after they arrived near Bethlehem, Venus arose in the constellation or picture of Aries (ram or lamb). Venus, on the horizon, disappeared (or stopped) in the sunlight a few minutes later, over Jesus’ home, in a city of shepherds on Passover.[38] The star marked the house of a lamb, the Lamb of God was born.
Astrology, considered by many to be forbidden by the Bible, does not play a part in the interpretation of these pictures. The link between the star and the scepter is itself contained in the Star Prophecy: "A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel." This is an example of, Biblical poetry, a common feature of Scripture, where something is said multiple times in different words or synonymously. The star is parallel to the scepter and Jacob is parallel to Israel.
The magi saw the picture in the east, indicating the king of the Jews would be born, the one who would rule all the nations. They came to the king in Jerusalem, the Jewish capital, assuming his son would be that ruler. They were instead directed to Bethlehem. The star did not guide them to Bethlehem; it guided them at dawn, from their camping location west of Bethlehem, to the exact house where Jesus lived.
King Herod reacted to the Star Prophecy because it predicted the coming ruler would crush the heads of … Edom,[39] and Herod was Idumean that is an Edomite. Though he was old he wanted his sons to rule after him.[38]
[edit] An astrological event
The use of the phrase "king of the Jews" by the magi has led many writers to link the Star of Bethlehem to astrology. In Hellenistic astrology, Jupiter was the king planet and Regulus was the king star.[40] As they traveled from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, the star "went before" the magi and then "stood over" the place where Jesus was. In astrological interpretations, these phrases are said to refer to retrograde motion and to stationing, i.e. Jupiter appeared to reverse course for a time, then stopped, and finally resumed its normal progression[41] (This assumes that the magi had an instrument equivalent to an astrolabe that allowed them to detect to the motion of a planet between one night and the next.)
In 3-2 BC, there was a series of seven conjunctions, including three between Jupiter and Regulus and a strikingly close conjunction between Jupiter and Venus on June 17, 2 BC.[42] "The fusion of two planets would have been a rare and awe-inspiring event", according to an influential paper by Roger Sinnott.[43]
Astronomer Michael Molnar has proposed a link between a double occultation of Jupiter by the moon in 6 BC in Aries and the Star of Bethlehem.[44] This event was quite close to the sun and would have been difficult to observe, even with a small telescope.[45] Occultations of planets by the moon are quite common, but Firmicus Maternus, an astrologer to Roman Emperor Constantine, wrote that an occultation of Jupiter in Aries was a sign of the birth of a divine king.[46] "When the royal star of Zeus, the planet Jupiter, was in the east this was the most powerful time to confer kingships. Furthermore, the Sun was in Aries where it is exalted. And the Moon was in very close conjunction with Jupiter in Aries", Molnar wrote.[44] This set of conditions reoccurs every sixty years.[44]
A modern and exclusively astrological interpretation of Matthew's account of the star, based on the magi's role as astrologers, "decodes" the Star of Bethlehem as a rare celestial configuration that was visible only to the magi. The "star" was revealed in an astrological chart dated March 2, 5 BCE. [47]
Was there a Star of Bethlehem?
According to the Scriptures.......yes.
This is what God placed in the sky just at the correct time......and the wise men used it to navigate themselves to the baby Christ
Reply:Wow. Nice answers you guys got here. And a great
question, too. I understand that the Star of Bethlehem
was a beautiful sight to see.
Reply:More likely a supernova. Stars don't generally materialise suddenly.
Reply:I don't think there is anything I can add to the answers you already have. Something occured in the sky at that point in time. According to the Book of Mormon, the new star not only appeared in the sky to signal the birth of the Savior, but it also was such that the sky remained light as day even after the sun went down in the west. The next day the sun arose in the east as it was supposed to do signaling the birth of the Savior in Bethlehem. So this event not only appeared brightly in Jerusalem but also kept the sky light throughout the night in America.
Reply:Yes, the Bible says so...
Reply:The Star of Bethlehem, or Star of the East is actually the star Sirius. The story goes the Three Kings followed the Star of the East to the birth of the King. the three kings are the stars of Orion's belt (which are still called that to this day). on the night of the 24th (Christmas eve) the three kings line up and point directly to Sirius. This line points directly to where the sun will rise the next day on the 25th, 3 days after the solstice. This is the first day where the sun gains height in the sky instead of looses or remains the same. for the 3 days after the solstice is stays at just about the same position, and on the next day it "rises". this is also the story of the Resurrection as the King (the sun) dies (days get continually shorter until the 21st when the sun stops in the sky) remains dead for 3 days (does not change positions) then on the next day rises (gains one degree signaling the days getting longer). the 3 kings were said to be astrologers... well this is astrological as you can get. just wait til the 24th and look at the night sky just before dawn and where the sun rises. i guarantee you wont be disappointed
Reply:Well close but no cigars,yes scientists have proven a "star"was around in the year jesus was supposed to of been born,but it was in the summer time,not anywhere near christmas but that is the only proven refrence in history in accordance with the bible,pilate wasn't a grown up adult when"jesus " was put on trial it was a roman named quinnius,the bible is upto 30 years out on most of it's so called facts.....historically and scientifically proven my friends...check out how faith is defined in the concise oxford dictionary...belief without logical proof....
Reply:Sort of....it just shown for 2 years over Herod's palace in Jerusalem instead of the house in Bethlehem where Jesus was no longer a baby, but a child.
Matthew chapter 2 of any Bible.
It would more properly be called the Star of Jerusalem. It only appeared briefly over the house in Bethlehem.
Neither the magi (where the word magic comes from) nor the star was ever at the manger.
The shepherds were invited by angels, not by astrology, and were at the manger. Luke chapter 2 any Bible.
God sent the shepherds, satan sent astrologers to have Jesus killed by Herod. Herod did get all males 2 and under in all Judea trying to kill Jesus. But Joseph escaped with his family to Egypt until after Herod's death to save Jesus.
Debbie
Reply:I believe it was a comet.
Reply:According to scripture, Matt. 2:1-2 the star was over Jerusalem, not Bethlehem.
Reply:Yes there was. It was proven a couple of years ago by a professor at Rutgers University in New Jersey. Coins of that period had a "star" on them that coincided with historical events as well as scientific findings of the solar system. Ultimately, the Scripture is fulfilled.
Reply:of course.
Reply:"After Jesus had been born in Beth′le·hem of Ju·de′a in the days of Herod the king, look! astrologers from eastern parts came to Jerusalem, saying: “Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star [when we were] in the east, and we have come to do him obeisance.”
Matthew 2 v 1-2
Nowhere in this scripture does it say that there was a star.
These men were astrologers and looked at stars all of the time to read events on the earth. A practise which was forbidden in the Mosaic Law. And where did this so called star lead them, to the Messiah? No to a king which then proceeded to murder all babies under the age of two.
Think about it people! God did not send these men!
Astrology, considered by many to be forbidden by the Bible, does not play a part in the interpretation of these pictures. The link between the star and the scepter is itself contained in the Star Prophecy: "A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel." This is an example of, Biblical poetry, a common feature of Scripture, where something is said multiple times in different words or synonymously. The star is parallel to the scepter and Jacob is parallel to Israel.
The magi saw the picture in the east, indicating the king of the Jews would be born, the one who would rule all the nations. They came to the king in Jerusalem, the Jewish capital, assuming his son would be that ruler. They were instead directed to Bethlehem. The star did not guide them to Bethlehem; it guided them at dawn, from their camping location west of Bethlehem, to the exact house where Jesus lived.
King Herod reacted to the Star Prophecy because it predicted the coming ruler would crush the heads of … Edom,[39] and Herod was Idumean that is an Edomite. Though he was old he wanted his sons to rule after him.[38]
[edit] An astrological event
The use of the phrase "king of the Jews" by the magi has led many writers to link the Star of Bethlehem to astrology. In Hellenistic astrology, Jupiter was the king planet and Regulus was the king star.[40] As they traveled from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, the star "went before" the magi and then "stood over" the place where Jesus was. In astrological interpretations, these phrases are said to refer to retrograde motion and to stationing, i.e. Jupiter appeared to reverse course for a time, then stopped, and finally resumed its normal progression[41] (This assumes that the magi had an instrument equivalent to an astrolabe that allowed them to detect to the motion of a planet between one night and the next.)
In 3-2 BC, there was a series of seven conjunctions, including three between Jupiter and Regulus and a strikingly close conjunction between Jupiter and Venus on June 17, 2 BC.[42] "The fusion of two planets would have been a rare and awe-inspiring event", according to an influential paper by Roger Sinnott.[43]
Astronomer Michael Molnar has proposed a link between a double occultation of Jupiter by the moon in 6 BC in Aries and the Star of Bethlehem.[44] This event was quite close to the sun and would have been difficult to observe, even with a small telescope.[45] Occultations of planets by the moon are quite common, but Firmicus Maternus, an astrologer to Roman Emperor Constantine, wrote that an occultation of Jupiter in Aries was a sign of the birth of a divine king.[46] "When the royal star of Zeus, the planet Jupiter, was in the east this was the most powerful time to confer kingships. Furthermore, the Sun was in Aries where it is exalted. And the Moon was in very close conjunction with Jupiter in Aries", Molnar wrote.[44] This set of conditions reoccurs every sixty years.[44]
A modern and exclusively astrological interpretation of Matthew's account of the star, based on the magi's role as astrologers, "decodes" the Star of Bethlehem as a rare celestial configuration that was visible only to the magi. The "star" was revealed in an astrological chart dated March 2, 5 BCE. [47]
Was there a Star of Bethlehem?
According to the Scriptures.......yes.
This is what God placed in the sky just at the correct time......and the wise men used it to navigate themselves to the baby Christ
Reply:Wow. Nice answers you guys got here. And a great
question, too. I understand that the Star of Bethlehem
was a beautiful sight to see.
Reply:More likely a supernova. Stars don't generally materialise suddenly.
Reply:I don't think there is anything I can add to the answers you already have. Something occured in the sky at that point in time. According to the Book of Mormon, the new star not only appeared in the sky to signal the birth of the Savior, but it also was such that the sky remained light as day even after the sun went down in the west. The next day the sun arose in the east as it was supposed to do signaling the birth of the Savior in Bethlehem. So this event not only appeared brightly in Jerusalem but also kept the sky light throughout the night in America.
Reply:Yes, the Bible says so...
Reply:The Star of Bethlehem, or Star of the East is actually the star Sirius. The story goes the Three Kings followed the Star of the East to the birth of the King. the three kings are the stars of Orion's belt (which are still called that to this day). on the night of the 24th (Christmas eve) the three kings line up and point directly to Sirius. This line points directly to where the sun will rise the next day on the 25th, 3 days after the solstice. This is the first day where the sun gains height in the sky instead of looses or remains the same. for the 3 days after the solstice is stays at just about the same position, and on the next day it "rises". this is also the story of the Resurrection as the King (the sun) dies (days get continually shorter until the 21st when the sun stops in the sky) remains dead for 3 days (does not change positions) then on the next day rises (gains one degree signaling the days getting longer). the 3 kings were said to be astrologers... well this is astrological as you can get. just wait til the 24th and look at the night sky just before dawn and where the sun rises. i guarantee you wont be disappointed
Reply:Well close but no cigars,yes scientists have proven a "star"was around in the year jesus was supposed to of been born,but it was in the summer time,not anywhere near christmas but that is the only proven refrence in history in accordance with the bible,pilate wasn't a grown up adult when"jesus " was put on trial it was a roman named quinnius,the bible is upto 30 years out on most of it's so called facts.....historically and scientifically proven my friends...check out how faith is defined in the concise oxford dictionary...belief without logical proof....
Reply:Sort of....it just shown for 2 years over Herod's palace in Jerusalem instead of the house in Bethlehem where Jesus was no longer a baby, but a child.
Matthew chapter 2 of any Bible.
It would more properly be called the Star of Jerusalem. It only appeared briefly over the house in Bethlehem.
Neither the magi (where the word magic comes from) nor the star was ever at the manger.
The shepherds were invited by angels, not by astrology, and were at the manger. Luke chapter 2 any Bible.
God sent the shepherds, satan sent astrologers to have Jesus killed by Herod. Herod did get all males 2 and under in all Judea trying to kill Jesus. But Joseph escaped with his family to Egypt until after Herod's death to save Jesus.
Debbie
Reply:I believe it was a comet.
Reply:According to scripture, Matt. 2:1-2 the star was over Jerusalem, not Bethlehem.
Reply:Yes there was. It was proven a couple of years ago by a professor at Rutgers University in New Jersey. Coins of that period had a "star" on them that coincided with historical events as well as scientific findings of the solar system. Ultimately, the Scripture is fulfilled.
Reply:of course.
Reply:"After Jesus had been born in Beth′le·hem of Ju·de′a in the days of Herod the king, look! astrologers from eastern parts came to Jerusalem, saying: “Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star [when we were] in the east, and we have come to do him obeisance.”
Matthew 2 v 1-2
Nowhere in this scripture does it say that there was a star.
These men were astrologers and looked at stars all of the time to read events on the earth. A practise which was forbidden in the Mosaic Law. And where did this so called star lead them, to the Messiah? No to a king which then proceeded to murder all babies under the age of two.
Think about it people! God did not send these men!
Who sent the star of bethlehem if it led the astrologers to herod who was going to kill jesus?
and god's law also condemns astrology. why does christendom celebrate a thing which the bible clearly puts in a bad light? did satan send it as he is an angel of light?
Who sent the star of bethlehem if it led the astrologers to herod who was going to kill jesus?
Your reasoning is correct. Furthermore if God had used the star to lead the astrologers to Herod and Bethlehem, why would he then discontinue its use, instead warning them in a dream not to return to Herod? This only makes sense if a sourse adverse to God had provided the star. That source would indeed be Satan the Devil.
Reply:SATAN
Reply:The magi (or wise men) did not come to Jerusalem because of astrology. They came because of a prophecy given by Balaam the son of Beor in the days of Moses that a star would signal the coming of the greatest king of Israel (See Numbers 22-24). Recently discoveries in the Middle East have found that actual prophecy engraved in stone from sometime before 900BC, with other sayings by Balaam. Remarkable proof of the truth of scripture.
The Bible condemns the idea that stars control and determine that fates of men. But it allows God to use the stars to displays signs and wonders that lead people to him.
Reply:God's Law never condemned the study of the stars for prophecy.
That is more recent 'Human' proscription.
The Star was foretold in Prophecy centuries before Jesus came along. It was also foretold of whom this 'Messiah' would come from and the Hebrews knew it. They made sure that the bloodlines of the potential 'Messiah' remained as true as possible (hence the reason for 'forced/ arranged marriages').
Who sent the star of bethlehem if it led the astrologers to herod who was going to kill jesus?
Your reasoning is correct. Furthermore if God had used the star to lead the astrologers to Herod and Bethlehem, why would he then discontinue its use, instead warning them in a dream not to return to Herod? This only makes sense if a sourse adverse to God had provided the star. That source would indeed be Satan the Devil.
Reply:SATAN
Reply:The magi (or wise men) did not come to Jerusalem because of astrology. They came because of a prophecy given by Balaam the son of Beor in the days of Moses that a star would signal the coming of the greatest king of Israel (See Numbers 22-24). Recently discoveries in the Middle East have found that actual prophecy engraved in stone from sometime before 900BC, with other sayings by Balaam. Remarkable proof of the truth of scripture.
The Bible condemns the idea that stars control and determine that fates of men. But it allows God to use the stars to displays signs and wonders that lead people to him.
Reply:God's Law never condemned the study of the stars for prophecy.
That is more recent 'Human' proscription.
The Star was foretold in Prophecy centuries before Jesus came along. It was also foretold of whom this 'Messiah' would come from and the Hebrews knew it. They made sure that the bloodlines of the potential 'Messiah' remained as true as possible (hence the reason for 'forced/ arranged marriages').
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