Monday, November 16, 2009

Jesus' disciples worshipped Him without rebuke so why Jehovah's witnesses really do not worship Christ ?

Matthew 2:1-2


" 1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem


2 and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.""





Matthew 28:17 "17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted."

Jesus' disciples worshipped Him without rebuke so why Jehovah's witnesses really do not worship Christ ?
Ultimately every creature, even the Jehovah's Witnesses, willing or unwilling, will worship the Lamb:





"And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: 'Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!' Then the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever." (Revelation 5:13-14).





But if Jesus is not God, such worship is unlawful. Only One may lawfully be worshipped:





"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3);





"...for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." (Exodus 34:13).





"If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or our friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:6-9).





A Catch-22...or is Jesus God?





His disciples worshipped Him, without rebuke: "When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted." (Matthew 28:17). Wise men worshipped then...and still do!: "Now after Jesus was born in Bethelehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, 'Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.'" (Matthew 2:1-2).
Reply:Book of James chapter 2:12, 13 *Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been "merciful". Mercy (compassion) triumphs over judgment.*


Book of James chapter 2: 14--17 *What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but have no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by *actions*, is dead.*


FAITH: 100% believing in God Almighty, Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit.


WORKS: Love, Mercy (compassion), Humility, toward others. "Love Thy Neighbors as Yourself."


A person needs to know the *truth* about Jesus before they know the *truth* about WORKS.
Reply:Jesus is as much a part of our worship as Jehovah is. Go to a Kingdom Hall and find out for yourself rather than heresay
Reply:We do worship Jesus, he is our example. We don't believe that Jesus is God, because Jehovah is the one the only True God. Jesus is his only begotten son.
Reply:Because "they" are a Cult and deny The Holy Deity of Jesus Christ! %26lt;')))%26gt;%26lt;
Reply:JW's revere Christ and worship him - but not as the one and only true God.
Reply:According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words...





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"to make obeisance, do reverence to" (from pros, "towards," and kuneo, "to kiss"), is the most frequent word rendered "to worship." It is used of an act of homage or reverence (a) to God, e.g., Matt. 4:10; John 4:21-24; 1 Cor. 14:25; Rev. 4:10; 5:14; 7:11; 11:16; 19:10 (2nd part); 22:9; (b) to Christ, e.g., Matt. 2:2,8,11; 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25; 20:20; 28:9,17; John 9:38; Heb. 1:6, in a quotation from the Sept. of Deut. 32:43, referring to Christ's Second Advent; (c) to a man, Matt. 18:26; (d) to the Dragon, by men, Rev. 13:4; (e) to the Beast, his human instrument, Rev. 13:4,8,12; 14:9,11; (f) the image of the Beast, Rev. 13:15; 14:11; 16:2; (g) to demons, Rev. 9:20; (h) to idols, Acts 7:43.





Note: As to Matt. 18:26, this is mentioned as follows, in the "List of readings and renderings preferred by the American Committee" (see RV Classes of Passages, IV): "At the word 'worship' in Matt. 2:2, etc., add the marginal note 'The Greek word denotes an act of reverence, whether paid to man (see chap. Matt. 18:26) or to God (see chap. Matt. 4:10)'." The Note to John 9:38 in the American Standard Version in this connection is most unsound; it implies that Christ was a creature. J. N. Darby renders the verb "do homage" [see the Revised Preface to the Second Edition (1871) of his New Translation].





The NWT Bible rendered Hebrews 1:6 as obeisance along with a footnote of an alternative rendering as worship for Christ. Jehovah's Witnesses say here the word worship is only obeisance, so they say Worship is also Obeisance. If such is the case, then the worships being placed in the four Gospels for Christ need not be changed in the first place, since JWs feel these worships were merely obeisances as the case in Hebrews 1:6.





What was the motivation for the NWT translators when they feel they had to change the word worship for Christ to the word obeisance in all four Gospels? Since they felt the word worship in Hebrews 1:6 as a footnote need not to be changed, we all must know their changing of the Four Gospels is very suspicious in nature. This says a lot about the True word for Worship for the Christ, the NWT translators knew worship for Christ is unacceptable because of its true meaning for God. They also knew Hebrews 1:6 is linked with Psalm 97:7, so if they changed it to mere obeisance with no footnote in Hebrews 1:6 will also have to do the same to Psalm 97:7.





If JWs are uncomfortable about worshipping the Christ even though Vine's gave the word worship as the same as obeisance, then they really knew this word worship or the Greek word proskuneo did have a true meaning for Christ. If they truly believe worship is only obeisance, then what are they so concerned about? They don't know the truth, worship is indeed allowed because it is also obeisance. If worship wasn't allowed, the translators of the NWT would have changed the footnote in Hebrews 1:6 a long time ago.
Reply:The verb 'proskuneo' doesn't always mean worship in the way we understand it today.





Citing Mathew 2:2 puts your cause to a halt. The Magi certainly did not view Jesus as there God.
Reply:short answer, the disciples DID NOT worship jesus so we, as true christiand DO NOT worship jesus.





please note:





your term is based on the poorly translated king james version.





1- και ιδοντες αυτον προσεκυνησαν αυτω οι δε εδιστασαν





note proskynesan. that is NOT worship. based on kiss the hand, ie, do obeisance, in modern english. show respect.





[mat 28:17] textus receptus of 1550.





(c) unbound bible - biola university.


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εγοντες που εστιν ο τεχθεις βασιλευς των ιουδαιων ειδομεν γαρ αυτου τον αστερα εν τη ανατολη και ηλθομεν προσκυνησαι αυτω





again, even these PAGAN kings are noted as saying they wanted to respect/ do obeisance to this king


=proskynasai=





[mat 2:2] textus receptus of 1550.





(c) unbound bible - biola university.


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now, the contrast is WORSHIP.





back to matthew.








τοτε λεγει αυτω ο ιησους υπαγε σατανα γεγραπται γαρ κυριον τον θεον σου προσκυνησεις και αυτω μονω λατρευσεις





note the substantial difference in 'worship'.


latreuseis.





[mat 4:10] textus receptus of 1550.





(c) unbound bible - biola university.


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please check a MODERN ENGLISH translation for proper understanding or get a good friend who reads greek or hebrew.





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Reply:Philippians 2:10,11..so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Reply:JW's most certainly do revere Jesus as Redeemer, Savior, and Son of God. It never ceases to amaze me how ill informed people are regarding JW's. No one knows the beliefs of JW's unless you knock the chip off your shoulder, open your mind a little, and listen to what they have to say. I am not one of JW's, I was born, raised, and educated Catholic. I've studied various religions and am born again. I'm interested in learning about the true God. That God is found in the bible. JW's KNOW the bible. I'm now studying with them.
Reply:because Jesus says ' why thou callest me good.. none is good but God. ' matthew 19 - 17.... clearly he says dont even call me good.. only God is good.
Reply:They are still in the "but some doubted" category.


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