Friday, November 13, 2009

Can any one tell me were to find the star of Bethlehem?

My son wants to know what Constellation that its in for a project for school just not sure were to start looking.


ty for all the help you can give me ty ty.

Can any one tell me were to find the star of Bethlehem?
There are many theories about the star of bethlehem. Some say it was a comet. Or a supernova. It cannot be proven or disproven, since we do not have the exact date of Jesus' birth. But here is an interesting bit I've got from a site(sorry to say, I forgot what site it was).





It was said that the Star of Bethlehem is composed of three stars that have seemed to have "merged" together. But it was in our point of view. Those 'stars' are the planets Venus, Jupiter and a star named "Sharu". Today, "Sharu" is known as Regulus, the Brightest star in the constellation Leo.





It was said that this three have met on the skies during the time of Christ's birth. According to that same site, this "mergng" is the realization of the prophecy of Christ's birth. Venus, represents the mother, merging with Jupiter, the father. Regulus is always associated during that time with royalty, symbolizing Christ as King of Kings.





This concept of the origin of The Star of Bethlehem was used in the most recent version of the Nativity story. If you want, you can watch it (if you have not watched it yet) and see for yourself.
Reply:It was a super nova that flared up and has since dissipated and if you knew where to look you may see a faint nebula.
Reply:Since we know that Jesus was not born at the start of 1 AD, because that Herod who killed the 2 year olds died several years earlier, pinning down when He was born becomes a problem. Further, he was probably born in summer because sending people to a census count in winter, even in Israel, would kill a bunch. The date of Christmas originally was Christ's Mass day (like St. Valentine's Day and other saints days) and had nothing to do with his birth, but was placed to take away from the Winter Solstice pagan celebrations on Dec. 21


Getting this across to your son is likely to be tricky.
Reply:The fact that the magi told Herod that they saw the star "at its rising",[27] suggests that they observed an astronomical object.





In 1614, German astronomer Johannes Kepler determined that a series of three conjunctions of the planets Jupiter and Saturn occurred in the year 7 BC.[28] Although conjunctions were important in astrology, Kepler was not thinking in astrological terms. He argued that a planetary conjunction could create a nova, which he linked to the Star of Bethlehem.[28] Modern calculations show that there was always a significant gap between the two planets, so these conjunctions were not visually impressive. An ancient almanac has been found in Babylon which covers the events of this period, but it makes no specific reference to the conjunctions.[29]





Chinese and Korean stargazers observed an object thought to be a nova or a comet around 5 BC. This object was observed for over seventy days with no movement recorded. Ancient writers described comets as "hanging over" specific cities, just as the Star of Bethlehem was said to have "stood over" the "place" where Jesus was (presumably the town of Bethlehem).[30] This phrase was not used to describe other astronomical objects, so perhaps the tail of a comet was thought to point to a specific terrestrial location. A comet is generally thought unlikely, however, as comets were usually associated with death and disaster.[31]





Another Star of Bethlehem candidate is Uranus, which passed close to Saturn in 9 BC and Venus in 6 BC, but this is unlikely, as Uranus moves very slowly and is only very dimly visible.[32]





A zodiac from a 6th century mosaic at a synagogue in Beit Alpha, Israel





A recent hypothesis states that the star of Bethlehem was a supernova or hypernova occurring in the nearby Andromeda Galaxy. The author notes that a Type Ia or Ic supernova/hypernova occurring in the Andromeda Galaxy would have been visible directly overhead in the town of Bethlehem at the same time of the birth of Jesus. Although supernovae have been detected in Andromeda, it is extremely difficult to detect a supernova remnant in another galaxy, let alone obtain an accurate date of when it occurred. [33]
Reply:It was a comet. Click on link below.
Reply:There is no star of Bethlehem, or if there was no one knows which it was, you do know you are asking about a mythological event yes?
Reply:The Star of Bethlehem has left its mark on the gospels as well as a constellation of holiday songs. Was it purely a divine sign, created miraculously to mark Jesus’ birth? Or was it an astronomical event in its own right? John Mosley, program supervisor for the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, says there are several scientific scenarios for the “Star of Wonder.”





Through the years, astronomers and others have proposed a variety of objects for the Christmas star — comets, an exploding star or a grouping of planets. Some suggest that the star was a miracle created especially by God. Such a suggestion cannot be proved or disproved, and it is entirely outside the realm of science. But there’s no need to resort to miracles, given the actual astronomical events of the time.





The first thing is to determine the approximate date of Jesus’ birth. Then we look into the sky of that period and try to identify the star. It doesn’t work the other way around: Since virtually any year can boast at least one reasonably interesting sky event, the astronomy must follow the history.


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Ruling out prime suspects


Let’s assume, as many historians have, that the most likely time frame for the birth of Jesus was between 3 B.C. and A.D. 1. Let’s also assume that the Star of Bethlehem could be observed by skywatchers elsewhere in the world, and not just by the Magi — who are known as “wise men” or “kings” but were actually priests who relied on astrology.





These assumptions would rule out some of the prime suspects in the mystery: comets, brightening stars known as novae, and exploding stars known as supernovae. The Chinese, who did a particularly good job of cataloging astronomical phenomena, recorded no such phenomena during the years in question.





Beyond the timing issue, there’s another consideration: A comet or supernova big enough to attract the wise men’s attention would have been widely noticed by royalty and commoners as well. But King Herod and his advisers seemed not to know or care about the star until the astrologers from the east came to visit.





However, if we suppose that the “star” actually referred to the planets, the situation is less problematic. The movements and groupings of planets in the night sky were of exceeding interest to astrologers and were closely tracked around the world. Historical records and modern-day computer simulations indicate that there was a rare series of planetary groupings, also known as conjunctions, during the years 3 B.C. and 2 B.C.





The show started on the morning of June 12 in 3 B.C., when Venus could be sighted very close to Saturn in the eastern sky. Then there was a spectacular pairing of Venus and Jupiter on Aug. 12 in the constellation Leo, which ancient astrologers associated with the destiny of the Jews.





Between September of 3 B.C. and June of 2 B.C., Jupiter passed by the star Regulus in Leo, reversed itself and passed it again, then turned back and passed the star a third time. This was another remarkable event, since astrologers considered Jupiter the kingly planet and regarded Regulus as the “king star.”





The crowning touch came on June 17, when Jupiter seemed to approach so close to Venus that, without binoculars, they would have looked like a single star.





Rewarding search


The whole sequence of events could have been enough for at least three astrologers to go to Jerusalem and ask Herod: “Where is he that is born King of the Jews, for we have seen his star in the east and are come to worship him.”





Now, this doesn’t mean that astrology works. We haven’t ruled out other possibilities for the Star of Bethlehem. And the mere existence of interesting celestial events does nothing to prove that the birth of Jesus was accompanied by a star, that the Magi existed, or even that the Nativity took place as described in the Bible.





But it does make our search more rewarding to find a truly interesting astronomical event that happened during the most likely time for the Nativity.





This article is based on John Mosley’s 1987 book, “The Christmas Star,” which is available from the Griffith Observatory. “The Christmas Star” addresses many other questions about the season, such as: When was Christ born? Who were the Magi? Why is Christmas observed on Dec. 25?
Reply:The star of Bethlehem is actually really close to our planet. in fact it was the planet Venus.
Reply:It is debatable whether the SOB every really existed as a star, It is currently not in any constellation. It has been theorized that it may have been a nova or supernova.
Reply:Without being long-winded or blasphemous,





You can't see the "star of bethlehem" in the night sky. The exact star is unknown. A lot of research has gone into figuring out which "star" this was because it could help pinpoint the exact date of Jesus' birth. The conclusion is that it was very likely a comet or supernova. These things come and go so this "Star" no longer shines in our sky.
Reply:The star of Bethlehem was either an unusual occurrence in the sky;





OR





a supernatural occurrence;





OR





a myth.





I'm a Christian myself, and I believe that, if we're to take the story of the star literally, it actually would be number 2. Isn't that the point of miracles? In any case, it isn't identifiable now.





There was an interesting article in Sky and Telescope, December (I think) 2007 naming some of the natural phenomena that could have coincided with the story. Some are given above. I don't understand the thumbs-downs they got. For reasons I can't remember, none of them really fit the bill. This would incline you even more towards thinking number 2. Why would the Magi, being educated men, head for a star that was always there anyway?


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