Monday, November 16, 2009

If Jesus was not God, why did the Magi come to worship him?

Matthew 2:1-2


1. After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2. and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

If Jesus was not God, why did the Magi come to worship him?
So God came to earth and was flogged by his creation? and prayed to himself, who was also in heaven?





Jesus was a Prophet and a Messenger, same as Abraham, Moses, Muhammad and others
Reply:What makes you think that they did?





Sure, the bible says that they did. But so what? That's useless; it's circular logic.





The line of reasoning you're trying to follow goes like this:





-The bible says jesus was god.


-So, if jesus wasn't god, then why would the bible say that the magi came to worship him?





Do you see why that doesn't work? In order to prove or disprove that jesus was god, you need a source other than the bible. Otherwise, you're just trying to prove the bible with the bible, which is nonsense.
Reply:Keep in mind that Jesus is not God, but his son.
Reply:He just a prophet and messenger.
Reply:to confuse Muslim heretics who think Mohammid was some kind of prohet
Reply:Praise Jesus, HE IS GOD!





From Genesis to Revelations, you will find Jesus being called God. Man is an image of God - with spirit, soul and body. We have three parts but are one person. Just like God in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.





Thank God for creating us and saying, "let us make man in OUR image."
Reply:Some of these questions about why people two thousand years ago did this or didn't do that can't be answered because only that person would be able to say why he did what he did.


They must have believed that he was a god. Of course that is no proof that he was actually a God.


Also, if they saw a star how would they connect it with someone being born ?
Reply:Worship to show respect and such forth look the word up.
Reply:It is amazing at what supernovas can do to astronomers of old. Too much myrrh? Hitting the Frankincense too heavily...?? came for the wine??? All that know are conveniently dead. You make no converts here, either way...we both know that.
Reply:thousands of people worship Buddha.. now how does that make Buddha God??





millions of people worship idols... are they God too ????





"Christ the son of Mary was no more than an Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!" QURAN (5:75)
Reply:Who told you Jesus was not God? He sure was and is!
Reply:I can take this one step further. If Jesus were not God, why did the king have all the male born under two killed in Bethlehem?
Reply:It is evident that this was the kind of obeisance that the astrologers rendered to the child Jesus, “born king of the Jews,” that Herod professed interest in expressing, and that the soldiers mockingly rendered to Jesus before his impalement. They clearly did not view Jesus as God or as a deity. (Matthew 2:2, 8; Mark 15:19) While some translators use the word “worship” in the majority of cases where pro·sky·ne′o describes persons’ actions toward Jesus, the evidence does not warrant one’s reading too much into this rendering. Rather, the circumstances that evoked the obeisance correspond very closely to those producing obeisance to the earlier prophets and kings. (Compare Matthew 8:2; 9:18; 15:25; 20:20 with 1 Samuel 25:23, 24; 2 Samuel 14:4-7; 1 Kings 1:16; 2 Kings 4:36, 37.) The very expressions of those involved often reveal that, while they clearly recognized Jesus as God’s representative, they rendered obeisance to him, not as to God or a deity, but as “God’s Son,” the foretold “Son of man,” the Messiah with divine authority. On many occasions their obeisance expressed a gratitude for divine revelation or evidence of favor like that expressed in earlier times.—Matthew 14:32, 33; 28:5-10, 16-18; Luke 24:50-52; John 9:35, 38.


While earlier prophets and also angels had accepted obeisance, Peter stopped Cornelius from rendering such to him, and the angel or angels of John’s vision twice stopped John from doing so, referring to himself as “a fellow slave” and concluding with the exhortation to “worship God [toi The·oi′ pro·sky′ne·son].” (Acts 10:25, 26; Revelation 19:10; 22:8, 9) Evidently Christ’s coming had brought in new relationships affecting standards of conduct toward others of God’s servants. He taught his disciples that “one is your teacher, whereas all you are brothers . . . your Leader is one, the Christ” (Matthew 23:8-12), for it was in him that the prophetic figures and types found their fulfillment, even as the angel told John that “the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires prophesying.” (Revelation 19:10.) Jesus was David’s Lord, the greater than Solomon, the prophet greater than Moses. (Luke 20:41-43; Matthew 12:42; Acts 3:19-24) The obeisance rendered those men prefigured that due Christ. Peter therefore rightly refused to let Cornelius make too much of him.
Reply:They just made that story up. They did no such thing.
Reply:I am a jealous God and beside me there is no other. Yes God clothed a portion himself in flesh and walked the face of the earth, gave himself as sacrifice so that we might be saved. There are not 3 gods in heaven not 2 just one of course God is to large for one human so while jesus walked the face of the earth he was the human son of god. He allowed his self to be tempted, and murdered. He had to feel all that us humans of his were going thru. After he we back to heaven the new testament was wrote notice it was quiet different from the hard and harsh old testament. His love for the humans he has created was so great he suffered in the flesh for us and now we have the chance to give him back the love he gave us. After he died he took the keys to hell and opened the gates to hell realeased all the saints and took all of them to heaven. I know this is hard for the human mind to beleive, but remember our God is so great that he can do anything. It's hard for the human mind to accept something that they can't see or feel but the bible says to go on faith don't question him just serve him. I am he that liveth, and was dead, an behold I am alive for evermore amen and have the keys of hell and of death. Notice it doesn't say WE. So when you read your bible say this prayer LORD WILL YOU ENLIGHTEN MINE EYES UNTO YOUR WORD you will be very surprized how you see from that day on. after you see the oneness of the god head then go get baptised in the name of jesus acts 2:38 and then let him fill you with a portion of his spirit the holy ghost. You will never find such happiness and joy within your soul.

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