A star doesn't move. A star doesn't enter our atmosphere. The star of Bethleham was moving and the wise men (there were not 3 wise men. Bible doesn't say how many) were following what they thought was a star. What's your take on this?
Star of Bethlehem was a ship that entered our atmosphere to guide wise men to where Jesus was born. Believe?
I agree,also the pillow of cloud which lead the Exodus.moved by day, and sat and lite the tents at night.
Reply:There's a great short story called The Star (can't remember the author, sorry) about a Jesuit scientist who goes into space and discovers the ruined remains of a civilization that was destroyed when their sun went supernova. He does the math, and figures out that this sun going supernova was what caused the "Star of Bethlehem." So God destroyed and entire race and civilization on another world to tell us Jesus was coming on ours. Nice, eh?
Reply:The Star of Bethlehem didn't move. It stayed over baby Jesus while the wise men moved from the East to the West where Jesus was. And yes, there were a lot more than three wise men.
Reply:It didn't guide them to Jesus, but to King Herod who wanted to kill Jesus. His advisers said to look in Bethlehem. It took them over a year to get there, did the ship stay up there, every night for that whole time? If so, apparently the aliens were here to help kill Christ, but they failed.
Reply:Okaaaay....Maybe the star doesn't move, but the Earth does. That's why you get the feeling that the 'moon is following you' when you're driving? hmmmmm...what a question....
Reply:comets move, meteors move, Haleys comet was around the planet about the time Jesus would have been born. But nice try!
Reply:That 'star' stayed in the same place for more the two years. When we follow a star, it is the same if you want to go North, you 'follow' the North star, Polaris. Does it move? No. That is why it may be followed.
Reply:Satan sent this celestial phenomenon to help Herod locate the Christ child but God warned the men not to return to him and they obeyed.
Reply:It might have been Jupiter. The BBC had a series on religion and they address this whole star of Bethlehem thing. It was cool.
Reply:Back away from the pipe. Now!
Sweet dreams.
Reply:Wow, only one of the greatest authors of sci-fi ever, Arthur C. Clarke, the name should ring a bell.
Reply:it was haleys comet silly.
Reply:yawn
Reply:well...I think it is nonsensical....to say the least.
Tuesday, April 28, 2009
Star of Bethlehem?
We watched a film about a man who studied the star and learned how God aligned the stars before He even brought us into being. It's amazing. Please go to this site and give me your thoughts. The actual film is about an hour long, but it's worth it. It shows that God's timing for things is so pertinent to all things that have happened and that will happen.
http://www.bethlehemstar.net/
Star of Bethlehem?
i was trying to see if i could rent it at blockbuster and 13 of the nearest ones don't have it. i'll keep looking. my husband and i love to see movies like that.
have you seen "one night with the king"? it's based on the story of Esther. it's so good! we loved it.
do you have a myspace?
Reply:Thanx, I look forward to checking out the site.
computer security
http://www.bethlehemstar.net/
Star of Bethlehem?
i was trying to see if i could rent it at blockbuster and 13 of the nearest ones don't have it. i'll keep looking. my husband and i love to see movies like that.
have you seen "one night with the king"? it's based on the story of Esther. it's so good! we loved it.
do you have a myspace?
Reply:Thanx, I look forward to checking out the site.
computer security
Rewriten bible ? : is the 10 commandments the only law ? ;did jesus love a woman ?; star of Bethlehem photo ?
star of Bethlehem photo ?http://uk.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-KAjGw0...
the bible is rewritten what 15 times ? so it could get confusing
for instance the 10 commandments is THE pact between man and god for the protection and gaydance of god.
after that most of it is sub affirmation that is to say nit picking.
later Jesus says some good things like stone not this woman (sinner) because if the Innocent wont non of you should ! and washes her feet and marries her ! what love of the little woman this is !
later some sexist says she doesn't exist ! what else do you expect ?
ps Jesus also appears to say that Moses was wrong ...?
Rewriten bible ? : is the 10 commandments the only law ? ;did jesus love a woman ?; star of Bethlehem photo ?
You really should read the Bible and check your facts. Jesus is not on record as having washed the feet of anyone except for those of His disciples on the night before He died. His feet were washed by a woman who slipped into a house where the host who had invited Jesus (a Pharisee named Simon) had not extended the basic courtesy to Him of arranging for His feet to be washed and she washed his feet and anointed them with a very costly ointment, weeping as she did so. Jesus said that this was a symbol of His burial, which would shortly take place. There is nothing at all in the Bible about His marrying anyone. Nothing whatsoever. The true facts are in the Bible. That has remained constant through the ages.
Reply:the bible was definitely rewritten,there are also different translation.
there is a suggestion that Jesus had a relationship with Mary Magdalen.
do you believe in him or in the bible or any religion?.
Reply:well, the photo could be of absolutely anything! A shaky shot of a couple of bright points of light!
As for the rest - yes, what they call the bible is just the end product of a series of edits of an eclectic collection of myths, legends and mystical/philosophical rantings. It can not be expected to have any consistency or internal logic, and indeed it doesn't!
Ultimately, who cares? There are much better fantasy books out there!
Reply:All the real Christians are asleep in America.
Let's go replace their bibles with something we all came up with.
It would be the best Punk'd show EVER.
Reply:The bible was written by man for the purpose of control through fear.Nothing more nothing less
Reply:Jesus isn't saying that anyone is wrong. He was saying that there were going to be some changes to the law so that everyone can have a chance at heaven(not just the Hebrews). Also I don't believe in that Divinci Code stuff because Jesus came down here to save the world, not to sew his royal oats.
Reply:Everybody knows that the Bible is a work of fiction and a damn good one at that. History has proved that there was a bloke called Jesus that had a number of siblings including a sister that he married.
Reply:Even the church is announcing now that the bible is not fact (Something us atheists have been saying for years and years (Pats self on back)) but none of the hard core religious types out there seem to want to believe that.
They don't seem to understand the whole idea that the bible was written by man, translated and miscontrued by man. They simply take it for fact like the bunch of mindless zombies they are.
Reply:Please get some professional help soon.
Reply:Okay, The bible was written in hebrew and then in greek. Later into english.
Reply:Do you know something i dont, if so pleas say it, not Riddles
Reply:I just like the fact that you wrote:
'gaydance of god'
Brilliant!
Reply:Jesus loved his mum, and she looked upon him as God.
That's how we know he was Jewish.
Reply:Is there a question in this, or are we merely venting plasma?
the bible is rewritten what 15 times ? so it could get confusing
for instance the 10 commandments is THE pact between man and god for the protection and gaydance of god.
after that most of it is sub affirmation that is to say nit picking.
later Jesus says some good things like stone not this woman (sinner) because if the Innocent wont non of you should ! and washes her feet and marries her ! what love of the little woman this is !
later some sexist says she doesn't exist ! what else do you expect ?
ps Jesus also appears to say that Moses was wrong ...?
Rewriten bible ? : is the 10 commandments the only law ? ;did jesus love a woman ?; star of Bethlehem photo ?
You really should read the Bible and check your facts. Jesus is not on record as having washed the feet of anyone except for those of His disciples on the night before He died. His feet were washed by a woman who slipped into a house where the host who had invited Jesus (a Pharisee named Simon) had not extended the basic courtesy to Him of arranging for His feet to be washed and she washed his feet and anointed them with a very costly ointment, weeping as she did so. Jesus said that this was a symbol of His burial, which would shortly take place. There is nothing at all in the Bible about His marrying anyone. Nothing whatsoever. The true facts are in the Bible. That has remained constant through the ages.
Reply:the bible was definitely rewritten,there are also different translation.
there is a suggestion that Jesus had a relationship with Mary Magdalen.
do you believe in him or in the bible or any religion?.
Reply:well, the photo could be of absolutely anything! A shaky shot of a couple of bright points of light!
As for the rest - yes, what they call the bible is just the end product of a series of edits of an eclectic collection of myths, legends and mystical/philosophical rantings. It can not be expected to have any consistency or internal logic, and indeed it doesn't!
Ultimately, who cares? There are much better fantasy books out there!
Reply:All the real Christians are asleep in America.
Let's go replace their bibles with something we all came up with.
It would be the best Punk'd show EVER.
Reply:The bible was written by man for the purpose of control through fear.Nothing more nothing less
Reply:Jesus isn't saying that anyone is wrong. He was saying that there were going to be some changes to the law so that everyone can have a chance at heaven(not just the Hebrews). Also I don't believe in that Divinci Code stuff because Jesus came down here to save the world, not to sew his royal oats.
Reply:Everybody knows that the Bible is a work of fiction and a damn good one at that. History has proved that there was a bloke called Jesus that had a number of siblings including a sister that he married.
Reply:Even the church is announcing now that the bible is not fact (Something us atheists have been saying for years and years (Pats self on back)) but none of the hard core religious types out there seem to want to believe that.
They don't seem to understand the whole idea that the bible was written by man, translated and miscontrued by man. They simply take it for fact like the bunch of mindless zombies they are.
Reply:Please get some professional help soon.
Reply:Okay, The bible was written in hebrew and then in greek. Later into english.
Reply:Do you know something i dont, if so pleas say it, not Riddles
Reply:I just like the fact that you wrote:
'gaydance of god'
Brilliant!
Reply:Jesus loved his mum, and she looked upon him as God.
That's how we know he was Jewish.
Reply:Is there a question in this, or are we merely venting plasma?
Is april 9th the birthdate of jesus? star of Bethlehem book?
i saw a tv show %26amp; there's a book too, the Star of Bethlehem, that say there was a total elipse (that the Wise Men) were following odd that we should be having XMas the day after Easter?
Is april 9th the birthdate of jesus? star of Bethlehem book?
The Birth of Jesus the Nazarite at Passover in 7 B.C..
In the year 7 B.C. there was a conjunction of Jupiter (the king of the planets) and Saturn (thought to be the protector of Israel) in the Constellation of Pisces (the Sign of the Messiah), as computed by Johannes Kepler, that was first visible at daybreak on the 12th of April. (Passover in 7 B.C. was on Monday April 13th which commenced at sundown on the 12th.)
King; Israel; Messiah. 12th April 7 B.C.
On the morning of the 29th of May it is believed the stars were visible for 2 hours and, on December 4th of 7 B.C. Jupiter and Saturn met in the Constellation of Pisces for the last time.
The A.D. system of dating is inaccurate: It is a system of dating which owes little to the birth of Christ and rather more to the imagination of a Scythian monk Dionysius Exiguus who was instructed in A.D. 533 to commence a new calendar working backwards from his day to the birth of Christ. As is to be expected, he was years adrift in his reckoning. We know roughly when Jesus was born from the New Testament narrative:
Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, in the days of Herod the king. Matthew 2:1
It is a fact of history that Herod died in 4 B.C.
Between the birth of Jesus and the death of Herod there were several events which necessitate there being a period of years separating the two events. There was the 'slaughter of the innocents' which drove the Jesus family into Egypt. Herod dare not have mounted that until the census ordered by Caesar had been completed and such a census could not be completed in a few months. People had to travel far and wide to census points and the whole operation, including the necessary checks which would be undertaken, would take a long time. Thus the Bible narrative indicates that the birth of Jesus could not have been very much later than 7 B.C.
Also Herod had all of the children of two years of age and under murdered and he died in 4 B.C. so that means that the birth of Jesus was at least two years prior to Herod's death, i.e. 7-6 B.C.
Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men (druids) to the East to Jerusalem,
2:2 Saying, Where is he that has been BORN King of the Jews? for we saw his "Star" in the East, and are come to worship him.
2:3 When Herod the king had heard [these things], he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and lawyers of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
2:6 And thou Bethlehem, [in] the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor (of this prison planet), that shall rule My people Israel.
2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently [exactly] what time the "Star" had appeared.
2:8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found [him], bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the "Star", which they had seen in the East, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
2:10 When they saw the "Star", they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
2:11 And when they were come into the HOUSE, they saw the young CHILD with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child (not baby) to destroy him.
2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called My son.
2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from TWO YEARS old and under, according to the time which he had diligently [and accurately] enquired of the wise men.
2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the Prophet, saying,
2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping [for] her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
This Bible quote is taken from the "King of kings' Bible" available as an e-Book from:-
http://i.am/jah/kofkad.htm
To the wise men (Druids*) who studied astronomy and astrology this was a sign so powerful that they could not ignore it. Jupiter the 'Kingly star' and Saturn the 'Protector of Israel' in the constellation of the 'Sign of the Messiah'. Being Israelites and Levites in exile they would know from the Book of Micah in Holy Scripture that the place of the birth of the foretold Messiah-King would be Bethlehem, but because it took them two years before they could get to Judaea, from the British Isles, they would automatically seek for their King in the capital city of Jerusalem.
At 05.24 am, 12/4/7 BC. - Jupiter and Saturn in the Constellation of Pisces.
At 07.27 am, 12/4/7 BC. - Mercury; Venus and the Sun joined the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the Constellation of Pisces, making it even more potent in its message. The King (Jupiter) Protector of Israel (Saturn), the Messiah (Pisces), the Messenger (Mercury) from Venus (Rev. 22:16 / Kk 30:16) and the Sun of Righteousness (Malachi 4:2).
After finding out from Herod that the Messiah-King was not in Jerusalem the Druids went to Bethlehem and there found the young child Jesus in his parents' house.
When the shepherds who were watching their flocks in the fields of Bethlehem, came to see Jesus during the night on which he was born, the word used in the account (Luke, chapter 2) defining Jesus is (brephos) a new-born babe, but when the Wise Men (Druids) from the West visited, he is then described as (paidion) a little lad or little child.
The Shepherds
In Luke 2: 8 we read, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field keeping watch over their flocks by night. There is a saying of the Talmudists that the flocks were taken to the fields in March and brought back in November. This of course could only apply to the higher mountainous parts of Palestine. In many of the lower parts of the country the flocks were able to be in the fields all the year round. The little town of Bethlehem itself is situated about 2,550 feet above sea-level (an altitude much higher than that of any town in the whole of Great Britain), but some of the country round Bethlehem is considerably higher still. Whilst in Jericho, which is one of the lowest towns in the world and less than 30 miles away, the climate is almost tropical, yet up in Bethlehem there is usually frost and quite often snow in the Winter. One can realise therefore that the Bethlehem area was one of those districts where the sheep were brought in during the Winter, and if this be correct, then according to the time of the movement of the sheep stated by the Talmudists, Jesus would not be born in the Winter but sometime between March and November when the sheep were out in the fields at night.
From this information it can be concluded that the birth of Jesus was probably on, April 12th in 7 B.C. at Passover.
Some people believe the birth was in September, but whichever month it was, it was in 7 B.C. not the year zero or 1 A.D..
* http://i.am/jah//celtdrd.htm
jahtruth.co.uk
Reply:Christ was born in the Fall in 5 BC around the time of the Feast of Tabernacles. That's the reason there was no room at the "inn".
Reply:That would be "eclipse" and I haven't heard a specific date mentioned, but if such a person was born, it didn't occur on 25 Dec as has been celebrated for centuries. Last I'd heard/read it was thought to have occured in the Spring so 9April is as good a day as any other imo.
I don't do a lot of research on mythology...sorry
Reply:I think he was born in April...
but the most important thing to remember his not his birthday, but what he did for mankind =)
Here is a website that talks about maybe his birth though...
Reply:no one knows for sure..but we do know that it was not Dec 25..but it could have been in October...or late summer..hmmm who knows?
Reply:stop giving real birthdays to fictional characters
Reply:No.
Jesus died on Nisan 14 of the Jewish calender. This year the equivalent date is April 2.
He preached for 3 1/2 years.
He was 'about 30' when baptised.
Go back 33 1/2 years from about April/May and you get 'about' October...As the month of his birth.
Not December 25.
Christmas is a pagan celebration wrongfully imported into religion.
Reply:Jesus was born later this year and Christmas and Easter and pagan holidays
Is april 9th the birthdate of jesus? star of Bethlehem book?
The Birth of Jesus the Nazarite at Passover in 7 B.C..
In the year 7 B.C. there was a conjunction of Jupiter (the king of the planets) and Saturn (thought to be the protector of Israel) in the Constellation of Pisces (the Sign of the Messiah), as computed by Johannes Kepler, that was first visible at daybreak on the 12th of April. (Passover in 7 B.C. was on Monday April 13th which commenced at sundown on the 12th.)
King; Israel; Messiah. 12th April 7 B.C.
On the morning of the 29th of May it is believed the stars were visible for 2 hours and, on December 4th of 7 B.C. Jupiter and Saturn met in the Constellation of Pisces for the last time.
The A.D. system of dating is inaccurate: It is a system of dating which owes little to the birth of Christ and rather more to the imagination of a Scythian monk Dionysius Exiguus who was instructed in A.D. 533 to commence a new calendar working backwards from his day to the birth of Christ. As is to be expected, he was years adrift in his reckoning. We know roughly when Jesus was born from the New Testament narrative:
Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, in the days of Herod the king. Matthew 2:1
It is a fact of history that Herod died in 4 B.C.
Between the birth of Jesus and the death of Herod there were several events which necessitate there being a period of years separating the two events. There was the 'slaughter of the innocents' which drove the Jesus family into Egypt. Herod dare not have mounted that until the census ordered by Caesar had been completed and such a census could not be completed in a few months. People had to travel far and wide to census points and the whole operation, including the necessary checks which would be undertaken, would take a long time. Thus the Bible narrative indicates that the birth of Jesus could not have been very much later than 7 B.C.
Also Herod had all of the children of two years of age and under murdered and he died in 4 B.C. so that means that the birth of Jesus was at least two years prior to Herod's death, i.e. 7-6 B.C.
Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men (druids) to the East to Jerusalem,
2:2 Saying, Where is he that has been BORN King of the Jews? for we saw his "Star" in the East, and are come to worship him.
2:3 When Herod the king had heard [these things], he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and lawyers of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
2:6 And thou Bethlehem, [in] the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor (of this prison planet), that shall rule My people Israel.
2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently [exactly] what time the "Star" had appeared.
2:8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found [him], bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the "Star", which they had seen in the East, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
2:10 When they saw the "Star", they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
2:11 And when they were come into the HOUSE, they saw the young CHILD with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child (not baby) to destroy him.
2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called My son.
2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from TWO YEARS old and under, according to the time which he had diligently [and accurately] enquired of the wise men.
2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the Prophet, saying,
2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping [for] her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
This Bible quote is taken from the "King of kings' Bible" available as an e-Book from:-
http://i.am/jah/kofkad.htm
To the wise men (Druids*) who studied astronomy and astrology this was a sign so powerful that they could not ignore it. Jupiter the 'Kingly star' and Saturn the 'Protector of Israel' in the constellation of the 'Sign of the Messiah'. Being Israelites and Levites in exile they would know from the Book of Micah in Holy Scripture that the place of the birth of the foretold Messiah-King would be Bethlehem, but because it took them two years before they could get to Judaea, from the British Isles, they would automatically seek for their King in the capital city of Jerusalem.
At 05.24 am, 12/4/7 BC. - Jupiter and Saturn in the Constellation of Pisces.
At 07.27 am, 12/4/7 BC. - Mercury; Venus and the Sun joined the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the Constellation of Pisces, making it even more potent in its message. The King (Jupiter) Protector of Israel (Saturn), the Messiah (Pisces), the Messenger (Mercury) from Venus (Rev. 22:16 / Kk 30:16) and the Sun of Righteousness (Malachi 4:2).
After finding out from Herod that the Messiah-King was not in Jerusalem the Druids went to Bethlehem and there found the young child Jesus in his parents' house.
When the shepherds who were watching their flocks in the fields of Bethlehem, came to see Jesus during the night on which he was born, the word used in the account (Luke, chapter 2) defining Jesus is (brephos) a new-born babe, but when the Wise Men (Druids) from the West visited, he is then described as (paidion) a little lad or little child.
The Shepherds
In Luke 2: 8 we read, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field keeping watch over their flocks by night. There is a saying of the Talmudists that the flocks were taken to the fields in March and brought back in November. This of course could only apply to the higher mountainous parts of Palestine. In many of the lower parts of the country the flocks were able to be in the fields all the year round. The little town of Bethlehem itself is situated about 2,550 feet above sea-level (an altitude much higher than that of any town in the whole of Great Britain), but some of the country round Bethlehem is considerably higher still. Whilst in Jericho, which is one of the lowest towns in the world and less than 30 miles away, the climate is almost tropical, yet up in Bethlehem there is usually frost and quite often snow in the Winter. One can realise therefore that the Bethlehem area was one of those districts where the sheep were brought in during the Winter, and if this be correct, then according to the time of the movement of the sheep stated by the Talmudists, Jesus would not be born in the Winter but sometime between March and November when the sheep were out in the fields at night.
From this information it can be concluded that the birth of Jesus was probably on, April 12th in 7 B.C. at Passover.
Some people believe the birth was in September, but whichever month it was, it was in 7 B.C. not the year zero or 1 A.D..
* http://i.am/jah//celtdrd.htm
jahtruth.co.uk
Reply:Christ was born in the Fall in 5 BC around the time of the Feast of Tabernacles. That's the reason there was no room at the "inn".
Reply:That would be "eclipse" and I haven't heard a specific date mentioned, but if such a person was born, it didn't occur on 25 Dec as has been celebrated for centuries. Last I'd heard/read it was thought to have occured in the Spring so 9April is as good a day as any other imo.
I don't do a lot of research on mythology...sorry
Reply:I think he was born in April...
but the most important thing to remember his not his birthday, but what he did for mankind =)
Here is a website that talks about maybe his birth though...
Reply:no one knows for sure..but we do know that it was not Dec 25..but it could have been in October...or late summer..hmmm who knows?
Reply:stop giving real birthdays to fictional characters
Reply:No.
Jesus died on Nisan 14 of the Jewish calender. This year the equivalent date is April 2.
He preached for 3 1/2 years.
He was 'about 30' when baptised.
Go back 33 1/2 years from about April/May and you get 'about' October...As the month of his birth.
Not December 25.
Christmas is a pagan celebration wrongfully imported into religion.
Reply:Jesus was born later this year and Christmas and Easter and pagan holidays
Jesus was the result of alien abduction ? Virgin birth ? Star of Bethlehem ? Other cultures origins ?
That's what I think, reasons being ;
Mary, Jesus Christ's,(JC), mother was in the garden and Angel Gabriel came and spoke to her and told her that she was to bear a child and call it Jesus. Months later, she goes to Bethlehem and gives birth to JC. The Magi, Three Wise Men, know of the birth and folow a star to Bethlehem.
Putting this story into todays culture we get a different angle to it. Mary in garden, gets abducted by aliens, gets impregnated with an alien seed, months later goes to Bethlehem, delivers the child JC. The Magi are told by aliens that a new leader is being born and that they should follow the light in the sky, which happens to be a UFO.
Sources include readings of many a Ufology book about abductions, John Mack for example, and thinking regarding the Christian roots, and also many other cultures, ie. the book of the Maharabat and the epic of Gilgamesh, where chariots fly in the sky - UFO's ?
I'm not saying JC didn't exist. He did. Just what's his origins ?
Jesus was the result of alien abduction ? Virgin birth ? Star of Bethlehem ? Other cultures origins ?
I'm with you on this one. I thougt I only thought of the above question.
Why don't you write a book on it ?
Reply:I'll stick with the story as recorded in the Gospels. I have no reason whatsoever to question their historicity concerning this issue.
Reply:You know, that would make a great Sci-Fi movie. I believe there's some websites on the 'net about Jesus being a hybrid human-alien. There's some (very weird) books written by David Ickle about aliens and religions.
Reply:thats a good point.
Reply:Catholics Believe Mary is the Immaculate Conception, having been conceived without the stain of original sin upon her soul.
Mary is the Second Eve, whose "soul did magnify the Lord," whereas the First Eve demagnified God through disobedience of His command.
Mary is the "virgin" Isaiah said would conceive the "Emmanuel, God with us" (7:14): That this prophesy included the virginal birth, as well as the virginal conception of Jesus the Messiah.
Mary, being the mother of Jesus, "the Son of the Most High" (St. Luke 1:32), is the mother of God: "How have I (Elizabeth) deserved that (Mary) the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (St. Luke 1:44).
Catholics Believe
Mary is the spiritual mother of mankind: "Behold thy mother" (St. John 19:27).
Mary is the mother who is ever ready to carry their petitions to her Divine Son.
Mary is the mother who knows the yearnings in the hearts of mankind, having been the ideal maiden, wife, mother and widow.
Mary is the Saint of Saints, our Mediatrix, whose intercessory influence with her Divine Son is first and foremost in heaven.
Catholics are proud to be of those "generations" that Mary said would "call" her "blessed" (St. Luke 1:48). Mary most pure; Mary inviolate: Virgin of Virgins; Queen of the Holy Rosary; "Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb" Jesus (St. Luke 1:42-43): Holy Mary, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death.
Non-Catholics who make Mary the Mother of Jesus do so, because they do not accept the true doctrine of the Incarnation, viz., that Jesus Christ possesses a Divine and a Human nature in one Divine Personality. Jesus was never a human person; He was a divine Person who assumed our human nature in the womb of the Virgin Mary. She was the Mother of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, and therefore the Mother of God.
Catholics cannot help but question the consistency of Protestants giving praise of the highest to Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Deborah, Ruth, and others, while virtually ignoring Mary. Surely she towers far above them. Is it because Catholics are profuse in their love and praise of Mary?
You can go "to Jesus directly," as you say, but why not go to Mary as well? One does not exclude the other. Is not Mary the Mother of Jesus? Is not such a pure and devoted Mother more influential than we are with her sublime and devoted Son? Does not your Protestant Bible say that David asked the saints to give thanks to God for him? Then why not ask Mary, the Saint of Saints, to take your paeans of praise and petitions to her Son?
"Sing unto the Lord, O ye saints oi his, and give thanks at the remembrance oi his holiness" (Ps. 29:5).
Catholics go to Jesus directly through prayer, and also by prayerfully participating in the holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the worship that is above all worship in the Catholic Church. It is a continuation, in an unbloody manner, of the bloody sacrifice Christ made on Mount Calvary. Still more intimate and loving is the relationship of Catholics with Jesus through partaking of His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in Communion. Thus the bodies of practical Catholics are tabernacles of Jesus Christ, as well as temples ol the Holy Ghost.
By prayer, Catholics go to Jesus, in humility, through His Blessed Mother Mary. They believe that the prayers of the saints in heaven are more influential than their own. Revelation 8:3 tells us that saints do pray: "the prayers of all the saints (offered) upon the golden altar which was before the throne" of God. Saints are the heavenly friends of God, the foremost of them being the Mother of our Lord, the Saint of Saints. Devout Protestants pray for the conversion of sinners, why exclude intercessory prayers of the saints, to Mary in particular, to keep us true and pure?
Catholics consider Mary to be their spiritual Mother, the second Eve, who gave the world the Second Adam, to whom they are indebted for their redemption and regeneration. In her they see all, and more, of the good, beautiful and pure that was prefigured in Eve, Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Judith, Esther, and Deborah. They love her for herself, because she was the virgin vessel from which Jesus came. Hence Catholics lovingly ask her intercession.
Strange, indeed, is it for Protestants to refuse to go to the Lord through the prayers of others as well as their own, when their Bible shows that Jeremiah asked the prophets to do so:
"It they be prophets, and if the word of the Lord he with them, let them now make intercession to the Lord oi hosts, that the. vessels of the Temple he brought back" (27:18).
St. Paul said: "I exhort that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions,—be made for all men" (1 Tim. 2:1).
If the prayers of man for his fellowman are of value, why not the prayers of souls in heaven that once lived among men?
Longfellow, in the "Golden Legend," Kipling in the "Hymn Before Action," and other famous poets not of the Catholic faith, encompassed the beauty and soundness of the intercessory aid of Mary. Kipling's prayer is—
"Oh Mary, pierced with sorrow,
Remember, reach and save The soul that comes tomorrow
Before the God that gave! Since each was born of woman,
For each at utter need True comrade and
true foreman Madonna, intercede!"
Source(s):
http://www.catholicapologetics.net...
Mary, Jesus Christ's,(JC), mother was in the garden and Angel Gabriel came and spoke to her and told her that she was to bear a child and call it Jesus. Months later, she goes to Bethlehem and gives birth to JC. The Magi, Three Wise Men, know of the birth and folow a star to Bethlehem.
Putting this story into todays culture we get a different angle to it. Mary in garden, gets abducted by aliens, gets impregnated with an alien seed, months later goes to Bethlehem, delivers the child JC. The Magi are told by aliens that a new leader is being born and that they should follow the light in the sky, which happens to be a UFO.
Sources include readings of many a Ufology book about abductions, John Mack for example, and thinking regarding the Christian roots, and also many other cultures, ie. the book of the Maharabat and the epic of Gilgamesh, where chariots fly in the sky - UFO's ?
I'm not saying JC didn't exist. He did. Just what's his origins ?
Jesus was the result of alien abduction ? Virgin birth ? Star of Bethlehem ? Other cultures origins ?
I'm with you on this one. I thougt I only thought of the above question.
Why don't you write a book on it ?
Reply:I'll stick with the story as recorded in the Gospels. I have no reason whatsoever to question their historicity concerning this issue.
Reply:You know, that would make a great Sci-Fi movie. I believe there's some websites on the 'net about Jesus being a hybrid human-alien. There's some (very weird) books written by David Ickle about aliens and religions.
Reply:thats a good point.
Reply:Catholics Believe Mary is the Immaculate Conception, having been conceived without the stain of original sin upon her soul.
Mary is the Second Eve, whose "soul did magnify the Lord," whereas the First Eve demagnified God through disobedience of His command.
Mary is the "virgin" Isaiah said would conceive the "Emmanuel, God with us" (7:14): That this prophesy included the virginal birth, as well as the virginal conception of Jesus the Messiah.
Mary, being the mother of Jesus, "the Son of the Most High" (St. Luke 1:32), is the mother of God: "How have I (Elizabeth) deserved that (Mary) the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (St. Luke 1:44).
Catholics Believe
Mary is the spiritual mother of mankind: "Behold thy mother" (St. John 19:27).
Mary is the mother who is ever ready to carry their petitions to her Divine Son.
Mary is the mother who knows the yearnings in the hearts of mankind, having been the ideal maiden, wife, mother and widow.
Mary is the Saint of Saints, our Mediatrix, whose intercessory influence with her Divine Son is first and foremost in heaven.
Catholics are proud to be of those "generations" that Mary said would "call" her "blessed" (St. Luke 1:48). Mary most pure; Mary inviolate: Virgin of Virgins; Queen of the Holy Rosary; "Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb" Jesus (St. Luke 1:42-43): Holy Mary, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death.
Non-Catholics who make Mary the Mother of Jesus do so, because they do not accept the true doctrine of the Incarnation, viz., that Jesus Christ possesses a Divine and a Human nature in one Divine Personality. Jesus was never a human person; He was a divine Person who assumed our human nature in the womb of the Virgin Mary. She was the Mother of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, and therefore the Mother of God.
Catholics cannot help but question the consistency of Protestants giving praise of the highest to Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Deborah, Ruth, and others, while virtually ignoring Mary. Surely she towers far above them. Is it because Catholics are profuse in their love and praise of Mary?
You can go "to Jesus directly," as you say, but why not go to Mary as well? One does not exclude the other. Is not Mary the Mother of Jesus? Is not such a pure and devoted Mother more influential than we are with her sublime and devoted Son? Does not your Protestant Bible say that David asked the saints to give thanks to God for him? Then why not ask Mary, the Saint of Saints, to take your paeans of praise and petitions to her Son?
"Sing unto the Lord, O ye saints oi his, and give thanks at the remembrance oi his holiness" (Ps. 29:5).
Catholics go to Jesus directly through prayer, and also by prayerfully participating in the holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the worship that is above all worship in the Catholic Church. It is a continuation, in an unbloody manner, of the bloody sacrifice Christ made on Mount Calvary. Still more intimate and loving is the relationship of Catholics with Jesus through partaking of His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in Communion. Thus the bodies of practical Catholics are tabernacles of Jesus Christ, as well as temples ol the Holy Ghost.
By prayer, Catholics go to Jesus, in humility, through His Blessed Mother Mary. They believe that the prayers of the saints in heaven are more influential than their own. Revelation 8:3 tells us that saints do pray: "the prayers of all the saints (offered) upon the golden altar which was before the throne" of God. Saints are the heavenly friends of God, the foremost of them being the Mother of our Lord, the Saint of Saints. Devout Protestants pray for the conversion of sinners, why exclude intercessory prayers of the saints, to Mary in particular, to keep us true and pure?
Catholics consider Mary to be their spiritual Mother, the second Eve, who gave the world the Second Adam, to whom they are indebted for their redemption and regeneration. In her they see all, and more, of the good, beautiful and pure that was prefigured in Eve, Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Judith, Esther, and Deborah. They love her for herself, because she was the virgin vessel from which Jesus came. Hence Catholics lovingly ask her intercession.
Strange, indeed, is it for Protestants to refuse to go to the Lord through the prayers of others as well as their own, when their Bible shows that Jeremiah asked the prophets to do so:
"It they be prophets, and if the word of the Lord he with them, let them now make intercession to the Lord oi hosts, that the. vessels of the Temple he brought back" (27:18).
St. Paul said: "I exhort that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions,—be made for all men" (1 Tim. 2:1).
If the prayers of man for his fellowman are of value, why not the prayers of souls in heaven that once lived among men?
Longfellow, in the "Golden Legend," Kipling in the "Hymn Before Action," and other famous poets not of the Catholic faith, encompassed the beauty and soundness of the intercessory aid of Mary. Kipling's prayer is—
"Oh Mary, pierced with sorrow,
Remember, reach and save The soul that comes tomorrow
Before the God that gave! Since each was born of woman,
For each at utter need True comrade and
true foreman Madonna, intercede!"
Source(s):
http://www.catholicapologetics.net...
Who came up with the shape of the star of bethlehem?
i'm only curious about this particular representation of a star because the hubble pictures reveal some stars to be shaped this way. i don't think it has anything to do with the camera lens because i'm pretty sure the star of bethlehem shape was devised before cameras were invented.
Who came up with the shape of the star of bethlehem?
Okay, I *think* you are referring to the typical way it is drawn? Long points up, down, to the side, and shorter points from the diagonals?
When you look at twinkling stars they seem multi-pointed due to atmospheric turbulence. Stars have been drawn as + and x and * for centuries because of this. The eight pointed star that is typically drawn for the star (with the lowest point often being twice as long as the others) was probably made common for the star in the middle ages.
The effect you mentioned in regards to photographs of stars is due to the shape of the lens.
All this said, I tend to think that the similarity of the shape of drawn stars (with points, due to the visual twinkling effect created by air turbulence) to some photographs of stars (with points due to the brightness and the shape of the lens) is mostly coincidental.
Sorry I can't supply a better answer.
Reply:My guess... God?
Reply:God.
Reply:Hubble pictures show weird shaped stars? I think it is because the Hubble telescope (and most big telescopes) have rods inside them to hold their shape. These are called "spider" rods. The star light reflecting off these rods, or being blocked by them, causes the image of the star to show a diffraction pattern. See section 3.6 in the source below.
Reply:The Bible doesn't say, or even imply, what the star looked like, only that it was amazing enough above normal astronomical objects for them to take notice and even try to travel to it.
Everything in the western sky should set, and the Star of Bethlehem didn't move, so that must've gotten their attention..
A star that bright would bedazzle the eye so much that you can't make out the center and just see alotof adamant points.
To say stuff like star 'X' has exactly 8 points and not 9 while star Y has 3 is absolutely ridiculous though. That's like saying this is a "39-sparkle mirror" and that the sparkles can be counted.
The star has 8 points probably because it's symmetric and looks nice. Stylized representation.
In the hubble pictures and many others the points are much simpler, it's just the arms that are holding up the mirror that you have to look through. They try to make them thinner so they don't obstruct too much but the four of them still make the shape of a +
Reply:Some one on jesus frog dope drew it.
Reply:CULTURES INDEPENDENTLY DEVELOPED THE STAR.
Toothache
Who came up with the shape of the star of bethlehem?
Okay, I *think* you are referring to the typical way it is drawn? Long points up, down, to the side, and shorter points from the diagonals?
When you look at twinkling stars they seem multi-pointed due to atmospheric turbulence. Stars have been drawn as + and x and * for centuries because of this. The eight pointed star that is typically drawn for the star (with the lowest point often being twice as long as the others) was probably made common for the star in the middle ages.
The effect you mentioned in regards to photographs of stars is due to the shape of the lens.
All this said, I tend to think that the similarity of the shape of drawn stars (with points, due to the visual twinkling effect created by air turbulence) to some photographs of stars (with points due to the brightness and the shape of the lens) is mostly coincidental.
Sorry I can't supply a better answer.
Reply:My guess... God?
Reply:God.
Reply:Hubble pictures show weird shaped stars? I think it is because the Hubble telescope (and most big telescopes) have rods inside them to hold their shape. These are called "spider" rods. The star light reflecting off these rods, or being blocked by them, causes the image of the star to show a diffraction pattern. See section 3.6 in the source below.
Reply:The Bible doesn't say, or even imply, what the star looked like, only that it was amazing enough above normal astronomical objects for them to take notice and even try to travel to it.
Everything in the western sky should set, and the Star of Bethlehem didn't move, so that must've gotten their attention..
A star that bright would bedazzle the eye so much that you can't make out the center and just see alotof adamant points.
To say stuff like star 'X' has exactly 8 points and not 9 while star Y has 3 is absolutely ridiculous though. That's like saying this is a "39-sparkle mirror" and that the sparkles can be counted.
The star has 8 points probably because it's symmetric and looks nice. Stylized representation.
In the hubble pictures and many others the points are much simpler, it's just the arms that are holding up the mirror that you have to look through. They try to make them thinner so they don't obstruct too much but the four of them still make the shape of a +
Reply:Some one on jesus frog dope drew it.
Reply:CULTURES INDEPENDENTLY DEVELOPED THE STAR.
Toothache
What do you think about the 3 star alignment over the stable in Bethlehem...?
when Christ was born in a manger there? I had heard that this actually happened around the time of His birth and this is the bright star of Bethlehem?
One star represents the father, another the Mother and another a King.
Anyway that is the star of the film (an alignment of 3 stars) of The Nativity out now.
What do you think about the 3 star alignment over the stable in Bethlehem...?
Have you seen the movie, "The Nativity Story" ?
It was the most awesome production I have ever seen....quite amazing.
Check it out!
Reply:I heard an astromony report that there were actually 8 planets/stars that lined up...at that time....
Reply:Amazing.
I Cr 13;8a
12-5-6
Reply:The star that was above the Nativity was not 3 or 8 stars, if anyone has a basic knowledge of astronomy they would know that those things only last maybe two weeks tops. The Star of the Nativity lasted two years. For the wise men saw the star when they were in the east and it guided them until they came to the HOUSE of Jesus. Read your Bible it's all in there.
One star represents the father, another the Mother and another a King.
Anyway that is the star of the film (an alignment of 3 stars) of The Nativity out now.
What do you think about the 3 star alignment over the stable in Bethlehem...?
Have you seen the movie, "The Nativity Story" ?
It was the most awesome production I have ever seen....quite amazing.
Check it out!
Reply:I heard an astromony report that there were actually 8 planets/stars that lined up...at that time....
Reply:Amazing.
I Cr 13;8a
12-5-6
Reply:The star that was above the Nativity was not 3 or 8 stars, if anyone has a basic knowledge of astronomy they would know that those things only last maybe two weeks tops. The Star of the Nativity lasted two years. For the wise men saw the star when they were in the east and it guided them until they came to the HOUSE of Jesus. Read your Bible it's all in there.
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